Pakistan, an unfaithful ally of NATO?

[Bleda]

Time after time, Pakistani intelligence has had its fingerprints all over events that can be viewed as detrimental to the mission of NATO in Afghanistan. What do you think?

[Mithie]

It's about to get worse?

[Bleda]

god damn it, I mistyped the word "hard". I'm the worst pollster ever...

[Panzerbear]

ha. historically the main source of terrorism in Afghanistan is being an unfaithful ally of NATO ?

[Mikelus Trento]

ha. historically the main source of terrorism in Afghanistan is being an unfaithful ally of NATO ?

Funny, I thought the historical source of Afghani terrorism was the Soviet invasion.

The difference between that time and this...the Americans will not cut an run from Afghanistan until the Taliban is eliminated and bin Ladin is caught.

Unlike some other (former) superpowers who left with their tail between their likes like whipped dogs.

[Panzerbear]

Funny, I thought the historical source of Afghani terrorism was the Soviet invasion.

since Afghanistan was a proxi war beteen Soviet Union and United States, its pretty safe to say that both are responsible. Soviets invaded, while US sponsored and armed those terrorists.

The difference between that time and this...the Americans will not cut an run from Afghanistan until the Taliban is eliminated and bin Ladin is caught.

how much money are you going to bet . Americans are already looking forward to cut and run from Iraq. when they are going to cut and run from Afghanistan is only a matter of time. btw, Russians killed Amin within hours. how many years do Americans search for their mythical Bin Laden and how many more years will they continue to do so?

Unlike some other (former) superpowers who left with their tail between their likes like whipped dogs.

we did?

[Mikelus Trento]

since Afghanistan was a proxi war beteen Soviet Union and United States, its pretty safe to say that both are responsible. Soviets invaded, while US sponsored and armed those terrorists.



how much money are you going to bet . Americans are already looking forward to cut and run from Iraq. when they are going to cut and run from Afghanistan is only a matter of time. btw, Russians killed Amin within hours. how many years do Americans search for their mythical Bin Laden and how many more years will they continue to do so?



we did?

The proxy war in Afghanistan didn't start for a number of years after the Soviets invaded. And they rebels didn't get Stingers until near the end of the occupation. So yes, the source of terrorism in afghanistan was indeed the Societ invasion. The stingers were the deal breakers for you. How many Hinds got shot down btw?

As far as Iraq, the election right now is pretty much even. One candidate wants to leave ASAP and the other, well, he never talks enough about his plans to know. To busy looking at Palin's ass and getting insulted by lipstick on pigs joke. So no, there are MANY Americans who don't agree with you.

You captured Amin in an office building? Like any small town American police force could. BFD. Quite different than hiding among many loyalists in a vast mountainous region.

Yup, you left Afghanistan like a whipped dog. Time will tell if the Americans leave Afghanistan the same way, but I have a hunch we will be in Afghanistan until bin Ladin is captured or dead.

[Panzerbear]

The proxy war in Afghanistan didn't start for a number of years after the Soviets invaded.

except that millions of dollars of American aid began flowing to Afghans since 1980.

And they rebels didn't get Stingers until near the end of the occupation.

in 1986, as far as I remember. thats not exactly end of occupation. end of occupation was in 1989 . and the American aid was actually very far from just sending Stingers. it was only ~500 AA missiles (if we can trust wikipedia). think about hundreds of millions of dollars of other stuff that they sent to Afghanistan all these years.

So yes, the source of terrorism in afghanistan was indeed the Societ invasion. The stingers were the deal breakers for you. How many Hinds got shot down btw?

Afghans used up only 200 of Stinger missiles out of 500 that were supplied to them. My guess is that their use was very far from 100% success probability. And judging from the actual Mi-24 Hind casualties (shot down, mechanical failures, accidents), then it is ~30 at most .

As far as Iraq, the election right now is pretty much even. One candidate wants to leave ASAP and the other, well, he never talks enough about his plans to know. To busy looking at Palin's ass and getting insulted by lipstick on pigs joke. So no, there are MANY Americans who don't agree with you.

its not the question of how many Americans agree with me, its the question of how many Americans want to get the out of Iraq (sooner rather than later) .

You captured Amin in an office building? Like any small town American police force could.

we did not capture Amin in an office building. 45 highly trained special forces guys stormed a presidential compound (that look more like a fortress), eleminated his 200+ bodyguards and the guy himself. themselves only suffered 4 KIA and virtually everyone else WIA.

I doubt it is something that "American police" could do, hell I doubt even Delta Force could pull it off.

BFD. Quite different than hiding among many loyalists in a vast mountainous region.

ah common, we all know that Bin Laden died in end 2001. keep on trying to find him .

[Delvecchio1975]

Funny, I thought the historical source of Afghani terrorism was the Soviet invasion.

The difference between that time and this...the Americans will not cut an run from Afghanistan until the Taliban is eliminated and bin Ladin is caught.

Unlike some other (former) superpowers who left with their tail between their likes like whipped dogs.

not often we see you so militant around here, Mike!

I think the American people will tire of being bogged down in the cold dessert mountains Afghanistan. maybe next year, maybe in 5 or 10 years - but they WILL tire, and the Afghan insurgence won't. And once the American people tire, it's playtime over for the army ....

[Mikelus Trento]

not often we see you so militant around here, Mike!

I think the American people will tire of being bogged down in the cold dessert mountains Afghanistan. maybe next year, maybe in 5 or 10 years - but they WILL tire, and the Afghan insurgence won't. And once the American people tire, it's playtime over for the army ....

Thanks, I'll take that as a compliment.

Actually, my "militant" streak emerges only when I hear people try and distort history or tell lies.

[Markas]

They are not I believe an entirely honest participant in the war on terror, but I don't really blame them. They live next door to Afghanistan so naturally they have to bend the 'terms and conditions' somewhat.

[Rapax]

Pakistan's Defence Secretary recently said that during the Soviet-Afghan war, app. 3,5 million Afghans fled into Pakistan and 2 million of those are still there.

So I'm thinking there's a very deep interconnection here that can't easily be broken.

[Panzerbear]

there is an even deeper interconnection between the role of Pakistaini security services and Afghan guerillas (who then later formed Taliban) during Soviet-Afghan war .

[Mithie]

On a side note, an unstable Pakistan with access to nuclear weapons under a new and corrupt leadership SCARES THE LIVING OUT OF ME.

[Panzerbear]

On a side note, an unstable Pakistan with access to nuclear weapons under a new and corrupt leadership SCARES THE LIVING OUT OF ME.

join the club. all those people who were ing about Iran possibly getting nukes seem to completely disregard the fact that Pakistani military dictatorship with nukes and huge terrorism problem are much much worse. what makes them even worser is the fact that Washington has been spoon-feeding and arming them to the teeth for decades.

the definition of great irony .

[Yorkshireman]

I'm not sure if there's anything new about a corrupt leadership in Pakistan.

[Mithie]

I'm not sure if there's anything new about a corrupt leadership in Pakistan.

Say what you want about Musharraf, the guy didn't pocket billions on the side.

[Yorkshireman]

Say what you want about Musharraf, the guy didn't pocket billions on the side.

True, I was thinking more of the civilian administrations.

[Hunnis]

mabey they are just tired of seeing USAs troops boming there land, and doing more harm and good? Or they are seeing tha USA i losing there war and wnat to back out...

[Bleda]

Pay no attention to Czar. He can't contribute to any thread of discussion without inserting a "Russia is the best and greatest" argument, no matter what the actual topic is.