Pat Condell (pbuh). This man's on the ball.

[boofhead]

I've heard this guy a few times over the last year or so. I think he speaks with clarity and common sense. Or does he?







Now before you go off accusing me of racism and bigotry, I will state that I'm a Christian man, and Mr.Condell doesn't like Christianity much, either. Look at his youtube profile and you'll see.

So do you think this guy has something worthwhile to say? Or is he just biased and with an alternate agenda?

EDIT: Kind of funny how these vids are not playable for me all of a sudden

[Kleos]

No doubt, having professed to be a Christian, Booofhead, people will try and enlighten you that the Bible contains violent verses...neglecting that there is practically nothing in the New Testament to justify the comparative levels of violence endorsed by those of militant Islam. To even suggest that there isn't a clear difference in merit between one religion who's prophet is a "turn the other cheek", "render unto cesar" softy...and one who is a conquering incestuous peadophile; is laughable.

I've never understood the taboo surrounding critisizing a particular religion. All men may have been created equal, but ideas, cultures, religions? Islam has far more gaping holes in its teachings and the culture it fosters than others. Reminds me of the British in India...

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

Maybe the west should have been more militant in dealing with barbaric practices in Muslim lands when they had the chance.

[wilpuri]

Maybe the west should have been more militant in dealing with barbaric practices in Muslim lands when they had the chance.

What right does the "west" have to meddle in other cultures' practices deemed barbaric from West-centric point of view (which too often confused for a universal point of view)?

[Kleos]

What right does the "west" have to meddle in other cultures' practices deemed barbaric from West-centric point of view (which too often confused for a universal point of view)?

The persecution of Jews and women and intolerance to criticism is barbaric full stop. You hardly need a west-centric point of view to come to that conclusion. And please, this isn't a cultural practice, this is about a minority of extremists making a wider group look bad.

And I didn't say thats what we should be doing now. The comparison was obvious - Britain saw fit to take actions against savage practices when it was in control of India historically; perhaps it should have applied the same logic to its Muslim lands.

[wilpuri]

The persecution of Jews and women and intolerance to criticism is barbaric full stop. You hardly need a west-centric point of view to come to that conclusion. And please, this isn't a cultural practice, this is about a minority of extremists making a wider group look bad.

Yes, you do need a West-centric point of view to view it as barbaric. The UN declaration of Human Rights is a very Western product.

And I didn't say thats what we should be doing now. The comparison was obvious - Britain saw fit to take actions against savage practices when it was in control of India historically; perhaps it should have applied the same logic to its Muslim lands.

I see. But of course, I'd argue that they had no right to be there in the first place but that is another topic.

[Mythos]

What right does the "west" have to meddle in other cultures' practices deemed barbaric from West-centric point of view (which too often confused for a universal point of view)?

Because the west has it right. Western values are or rather, should be universal values. Just because a rather large bunch of backward people believe that women and cattle are of the same value, for example, it does not mean that they are right. And just because the equality of men and women is a western value it does not mean that it is a wrong value. It is very much right. Some people don't understand that and they don't like it when it is pointed out to them. That's their problem. We are supposed to make the world better, not bend over backwords just in case we offend some morons.

[wilpuri]

Because the west has it right. Western values are or rather, should be universal values. Just because a rather large bunch of backward people believe that women and cattle are of the same value, for example, it does not mean that they are right. And just because the equality of men and women is a western value it does not mean that it is a wrong value. It is very much right. Some people don't understand that and they don't like it when it is pointed out to them. That's their problem. We are supposed to make the world better, not bend over backwords just in case we offend some morons.

Western values are right for Westerners.

[Erik]

Because the west has it right. Western values are or rather, should be universal values. Just because a rather large bunch of backward people believe that women and cattle are of the same value, for example, it does not mean that they are right. And just because the equality of men and women is a western value it does not mean that it is a wrong value. It is very much right. Some people don't understand that and they don't like it when it is pointed out to them. That's their problem. We are supposed to make the world better, not bend over backwords just in case we offend some morons.

In that case we also need to make morally backward countries like America and France accept that homosexuals have a right to marry each other if they choose it.
Or that people who suffer endlessly have a right to end their own lives.

But is it really my job to educate the rest of the world?
Just because my people are morally superior to 80% of the West and 90% of the World?
I think not - I think the rest of the world needs to educate itself, because that's the ONLY way you can really achieve my level of moral standing.
Forcing people to adopt my ways, even though they are vastly superior, will only make them either reject them even more or accept them for the outside world only while still rejecting them in private.

[Primvs Sextvs Loverlord]

No doubt, having professed to be a Christian, Booofhead, people will try and enlighten you that the Bible contains violent verses...neglecting that there is practically nothing in the New Testament to justify the comparative levels of violence endorsed by those of militant Islam. To even suggest that there isn't a clear difference in merit between one religion who's prophet is a "turn the other cheek", "render unto cesar" softy...and one who is a conquering incestuous peadophile; is laughable.

Seriously, do you believe that the multitude of believers and coverts of the fastest growing religion, especially in the developed world, would follow a man if they believed he was a pedophile, a conqueror and a savage? Why do you consider us so block-headed and simple-minded?

I've never understood the taboo surrounding critisizing a particular religion. All men may have been created equal, but ideas, cultures, religions? Islam has far more gaping holes in its teachings and the culture it fosters than others. Reminds me of the British in India...

Criticism makes sense. However, calling Prophet Mohammad (sw) a pedophile is not only a slander towards him but also towards the intelligence, integrity and dignity of the 1.3 billion plus men and women around the world who regard him as the best of men.

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

That's funny coming from a culture that fostered the burning of countless thousands in the name of Christianity. Most of the victims were lonely widows whom people thought to be witches.

Maybe the west should have been more militant in dealing with barbaric practices in Muslim lands when they had the chance.

They tried but they failed. Miserably.

[Kleos]

Seriously, do you believe that the multitude of believers and coverts of the fastest growing religion, especially in the developed world, would follow a man if they believed he was a pedophile, a conqueror and a savage? Why do you consider us so block-headed and simple-minded?

He consumated a marriage with a nine year old, and an other of his wives was his cousin; so my accusations were hardly slander. And did he undertake military conquests, or didn't he? These are simple facts of the man's life; not some bigoted insults I've thrown together. And I dont consider "you" block headed and simple minded - nor I have ever stated as such. Yes, I believe Christianity is a better religion than Islam...but you probably consider Islam a better religion than Christianity; there is nothing wrong with that - its our respective opinion.

Oh, and you'll note I didn't overreact to you mentioning withcraft in line with Christianity...I fully realise defects when they exist

They tried but they failed. Miserably.

At least you agree that there is barbarc practices is muslim lands. That wasn't that hard was it.

[boofhead]

Seriously, do you believe that the multitude of believers and coverts of the fastest growing religion, especially in the developed world, would follow a man if they believed he was a pedophile, a conqueror and a savage? Why do you consider us so block-headed and simple-minded?

I don't consider you block-headed/simple-minded at all. I consider you voluntary slaves to something that is not good for you, or for me. You guys are as biased as when it comes to Mohammad. He can do nothing wrong, despite plenty of evidence that he wasn't the nicest guy around.

Criticism makes sense. However, calling Prophet Mohammad (sw) a pedophile is not only a slander towards him but also towards the intelligence, integrity and dignity of the 1.3 billion plus men and women around the world who regard him as the best of men.

I don't personally buy into the 'pedo' thing for Muhammad. It was cultural. But I do not like people in my country saying it is OK for people now. It is not OK. Daughters have the same rights as fathers. Get over it. We are all humans in the end.

BTW Sextus, numbers of voters/followers never make a truth. Look at North Korea.

[boofhead]

"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."

Great quote. I've never heard it before, but it speaks volumes. Who said it?

[Kleos]

Great quote. I've never heard it before, but it speaks volumes. Who said it?

Charles Napier

[Mithie]

The guy's a standup comedian.

Let me repeat that.

THE GUY

IS

A STANDUP

COMEDIAN.

He's a funny guy, but his point of view can hardly be called out on. Call it comedic immunity if you will. Personally, I love Lewis Black. The man's got a good head on his shoulders, and his political ideology is pretty similar to mine. But the fact of the matter is, Lewis Black is a COMEDIAN FIRST, and that puts a heavy tint on most of what he has to say, much like Pat Condell.

[Flavius Merobaudes]

Pat Condell - one of my long time favourite comedians. And he's not only funny but sees thing clearer than many other people.

[Mithie]

Pat Condell - one of my long time favourite comedians. And he's not only funny but sees thing clearer than many other people.

He's funny - yes - but he's no political commentator.

The day I let a comedian influence my cultural and political outlook is the day I lobotomize myself with a rusty spoon.

[Osceola]

He's.. 1 dimensional.

I mean I agree with him sure, but thats all he ever ing talks about.

He needs a hobby or something.

[Da Skinna]

Comedians are quite sharp.

And where's Salman Rushdie, I'd like these two to meet up some time...

[Iscariott]

This guy reminds me of yahtzee, from zero punctuation reviews. Only anti-islam lol

[boofhead]

He has a good grasp of language