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    Default The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    The Tax Payers Alliance has released a new publication on the Barnett Formula. Before anyone dismisses the TPA, all figures are sourced in footnotes within the publication, drawing on government provided data.
    Just over the last two decades (since 1985-86), higher spending in the three devolved territories has cost UK taxpayers a cumulative £200 billion (£102 billion in Scotland; £43 billion in Wales; £57 billion in Northern Ireland).
    Now, I knew it cost a lot...but hadn't realised it was that much. (I guess thats just one of many long term costs of having a Labour government!)Now it doesn't bother me too much - most developed countries around the world will invest greater sums in the poorer areas, and with the de-nationalisation of many unprofitable industries under Thatcher; it is understandable that her government would want to continue spending more in the areas that were hit the hardest.

    But to continue it now? Its a relic of the last century, and if our Celtic fringes want to act out illusions of independence let them start with paying their own way!

    Now, of course, the main issue with this will be the Braveheart-fuelled nationalism of the SNP. The usual rhetoric of the SNP is that its Scotland's oil lying in the North Sea and so it balances out the extra money they recieve. Some would even go as far as to say that they are worse off in the UK than they would be out of it. This is where the report gets interesting:
    North Sea Oil has not funded the Scottish spending gap, despite Scottish Nationalist claims to the contrary. In only five of the last 23 years have North Sea Oil receipts exceeded the cost of higher funding paid to Scotland. Even with current high oil prices, the income from the Scottish share of North Sea Oil only just covers the spending gap, and North Sea Oil output is projected to fall by 50 per cent by 2020
    Infact, over the past 23 years, Scotland has received £26 billion above what their oil revenues would have provided. This works out an average historic cost to the rest of the UK of over £1.1 billion a year since 1985.



    So Scottish oil would not have paid for the extra spending they have recieved. With North Sea oil supplies declining, it appears that even recently inflated prices would not continue to support the current level of spending they are currently benefiting from.

    So SNP, pay us the £23 billion you owe us for the last twenty-odd years, then you can start talking about fiscal justice and independence. And when the North Sea oil runs out...just don't come running back...

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    So when are the celts of Britannia going to drive out these Saxon invaders?

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    So when are the celts of Britannia going to drive out these Saxon invaders?
    Well they've had about 1500 or so years to try.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Pallantides View Post
    So when are the celts of Britannia going to drive out these Saxon invaders?
    Umm...never...

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Interesting post.

    Seems to be a lot of nationalism hidden under the brits covers.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Perhaps the funding is related to the revenues. As oil production declines then the funding also will decline. Hopefully the resources were well invested for the future citizens in Scotland and not down the typical government hole.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Viking Prince View Post
    Perhaps the funding is related to the revenues. As oil production declines then the funding also will decline. Hopefully the resources were well invested for the future citizens in Scotland and not down the typical government hole.
    The oil does'nt belong to Scotland it belongs to the United Kingdom. All our resources, wealth, trade etc are for the benefit of the whole island. (+NI)

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Oh well if it wasnt going to the scottish it would only be spent on some other worthless scheme


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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Well they've had about 1500 or so years to try.
    it took us 800 years and were still suffering the blight of them , and we have an ocean between us so imagine how hard it is for scotland and wales

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliomhdubh View Post
    it took us 800 years and were still suffering the blight of them , and we have an ocean between us so imagine how hard it is for scotland and wales
    England is'nt occupying Scotland or Wales.

    Republic of Ireland is still suffering the blight of the English?

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Can we stop with the "ENGLAND IS DA NAZIZORS" for one Uk thread?

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Can we stop with the "ENGLAND IS DA NAZIZORS" for one Uk thread?
    Blame Hollywood, all the baddies are English now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Can we stop with the "ENGLAND IS DA NAZIZORS" for one Uk thread?

    That would be easier if the OP had not basically insulted an entire population with his post.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhan View Post
    That would be easier if the OP had not basically insulted an entire population with his post.
    I don't see how he's done that by stating some facts, he's just reflecting what a large part of the population of England think. I. know it's unfashionable these days for the English to assert themselves.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    I don't see how he's done that by stating some facts, he's just reflecting what a large part of the population of England think. I. know it's unfashionable these days for the English to assert themselves.

    Funny it seems to me that when the same Celts the OP insulted are....insulted that it is ok, but if the English are insulted right back then it is a problem? I have no problem with anyone asserting themselves but lets make the field even.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciabhan View Post
    Funny it seems to me that when the same Celts the OP insulted are....insulted that it is ok, but if the English are insulted right back then it is a problem? I have no problem with anyone asserting themselves but lets make the field even.
    Well re-reading the opening post, I can't see how he has insulted anybody?

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    He may have gone overboard, but his point still stands Scotland is getting unfair subsidies.

    You know I have to pay to go to Edinburgh University, but Scots and non-UK EU people don't? What the ! I pay for it anyway thorough taxes! And I have to pay again and more? But a Pole can waltz in for free...outrageous, stabbing a bro in the back there.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Can we stop with the "ENGLAND IS DA NAZIZORS" for one Uk thread?
    please
    i wouldnt insult the nazis by saying that (jk)
    but meh i didnt start it i just find it ironic that england pursues domination over the celtic nations for most of its history and now its peeved off they have to actually put money into them

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliomhdubh View Post
    please
    i wouldnt insult the nazis by saying that (jk)
    but meh i didnt start it i just find it ironic that england pursues domination over the celtic nations for most of its history and now its peeved off they have to actually put money into them
    You don't really understand the situation at all then, do you? It's all those nasty Saxons v Celts to you.

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    Default Re: The Cost of the Celts: Barnett Formula has cost £200 billion in 23 years

    You don't really understand the situation at all then, do you? It's all those nasty Saxons v Celts to you
    not particularly but it does seem to me england seems to only want its colonoies and dependencies when they are of some value to them
    what would england prefer a britian with an extremly poor scotland wales and NI and a rich england because pulling funding from disadvantaged areas will only make them less attractive to buisness

    Republic of Ireland is still suffering the blight of the English?
    umm im a nationilist.and i think we all know my stance on the north at this stage
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