Monastic Orders delima...

[AnthoniusII]

As it is known almost all monastic orders bacame extrimly rich from donations or crusading lootings!
Remember the tresury the King of France found when he ended the existance of those orders in his country!
Taking all these in mind i think that the acceptance for any western faction any of those orders should be had a decrease of his taxes!
It suposed that those orders absorve money of the local poppulation(donations)and they pay no taxes!
So it would be a fair delima of any player(Money or trusted troops)?

What do you think about it?:hmmm:

[Dracula]

Such orders have had their incomes from trade with foreign countries and banking almost exclusively. (the Templars for ex.) And others like the Knights of Malta had more interests in overseas territories(mainly holy land) than domestic terr.
So it doesn't seem to me they have relied/suck too much gold from the places they came from. Even on the contrary if they promoted trade - it means richness for all subjects of a country and foreigners they deal with - so they have contributed to enriching the population. And from there indirectly -to a better ability to pay taxes and maybe even an increase of the tax level.

As a side note,the Templar order has not been closed for economical reasons,but because it was found that it spread anti-catholic teachings and sentiments among its followers and also influenced the population with sentiments against the catholic piety and traditional doctrines.

If you mean the monasticism in generall- not connected with the crusades and foreign territories - yes it had an effect of putting some gold away of the touch of the states. But it is typical for the whole Church for all the period of its existance,probably except for some protestant countries. But for that period it is well known the church beneficiaries did not pay taxes and were excluded from the taxation system by the will of the monarchs themselves -cause they simply couldn't oppose the Church.

[Hengest]

we will script things so that major orders will give money each year, something that was called Responsion- annual income which goes to the Order head, not the Grandmaster so much as the Pope. Although in the cases of the national or minor Orders we must assume that the money concermed went to the king.
Basically, having a Major Order will mean that you get more choice of better troops but you may lose some influence and some cash to the Mother Church. There will be a little incentive to choosing Minor Orders therefore which offer less possibilities in units or buildings such as Tempar Banking or St.John's Hospices but will give your nobles some nice Order titles that they would not have otherwise got since all of Catholic Christendom will have access the Major Orders and therefore those titles.

[aduellist]

As it is known almost all monastic orders bacame extrimly rich from donations or crusading lootings!

There is no historical evidence that any of the orders "became extremely rich". In fact they were chronically short of funds necessary to sustain their various military activities in support of the Church. At the time of the First Crusade, it took the income from 40 acres to support one knight. By the fall of Jerusalem that number had risen to 75 acres.

Remember the tresury the King of France found when he ended the existance of those orders in his country!

They found almost nothing. Although the rumours of such a vast treasure continue to this day, nobody has found any solid evidence of any "vast Templar treasure". It's a myth, certainly one which led almost directly to their downfall, as the Kingdom of France was all but bankrupt at the time.

Taking all these in mind i think that the acceptance for any western faction any of those orders should be had a decrease of his taxes!
It suposed that those orders absorve money of the local poppulation(donations)and they pay no taxes!
So it would be a fair delima of any player(Money or trusted troops)?

What do you think about it?:hmmm:

Again, there is no evidence that the existence or presence of the Militant Orders created any financial burdens on the hosting countries, at least no more so than other donations of moneys and lands to the Church outright or to the various monastic orders.

As a side note,the Templar order has not been closed for economical reasons,but because it was found that it spread anti-catholic teachings and sentiments among its followers and also influenced the population with sentiments against the catholic piety and traditional doctrines.

Those charges were drummed up exclusively by the King of France, who was in fact after the rumoured "Templar Treasure". The Templars were eventually found innocent of all charges.

we will script things so that major orders will give money each year, something that was called Responsion- annual income which goes to the Order head, not the Grandmaster so much as the Pope. Although in the cases of the national or minor Orders we must assume that the money concermed went to the king.

That's an eminently practical solution. I like it!