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    Default Polish cleaner demands compensation claiming lack of English is disability

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...isability.html


    Izabela Smolarek, 30, was seeking £5,000 in damages from cleaning firm ISS Facility Services Ltd on the grounds of disability discrimination. She claimed they exploited her inability to understand her job contract by paying her less than the minimum wage for cleaning rooms at a Travelodge in Luton, Beds.
    However her case has now been thrown out before reaching an employment tribunal after a judge ruled Miss Smolarek had no physical or mental impairment.
    Miss Smolarek, from Hatfield, Herts, said she had agreed to be paid £1.24 for each hotel room she cleaned, but said it was impossible to clean the three rooms an hour necessary to earn the £5.52 national minimum wage.
    She claimed her Polish supervisor at the Travelodge, Krizistof Kowalik, had lied to her and the other female Polish employees about how long it took to clean a room.
    In her claim statement, she said: "Not speaking and not understanding the language is a disability. It's like being deaf and mute and illiterate.
    "My employer exploited this disability to pay less than the minimum wage."
    Miss Smolarek arrived in England from Poland on October 25 2007 and started work at the Travelodge on November 24. She lasted just over a month at the job and has also claimed she was unfairly dismissed.
    Her statement added: "I was fed up with being cheated out of my wages, being lied to, being treated like a child or a half-whit, and being part of a scheme obviously circumventing the minimum wage legislature.
    "Brutal or subtle, such discrimination is always dangerous to the principal of equality, a principal so dear to the British soul."
    Her representative, Thomas Klarecki, told the hearing: "The law says you do not have to discuss the reasons for a disability, just the effects of the disability.
    "It is not necessary to consider how an impairment is caused. Why Miss Smolarek cannot speak English is irrelevant."
    However, Judge Valentine Adamson dismissed the claim at the hearing in Bedford.
    He said: "In the absence of any identifiable impairment, the only point being that the claimant was born in Poland and not a country where English is the first language, I find the claimant's language difficulties are not capable of being classed as an impairment within the meaning of the Disability Discrimination Act.
    "That complaint will be struck off."
    Miss Smolarek continues to claim she was unfairly dismissed by the London-based cleaning firm.
    Another pre-hearing review has been scheduled for January 12.
    Miss Smolarek is also claiming £981 for unpaid wages, holiday pay and notice pay.
    A spokesman for ISS said the company denied the allegations but would not comment further.
    Did someone say "we need tougher laws on immigration"?

    This obviously doesn't reflect on the majority of the Poles in the UK but still, p*ss taking of such magnitude can only exacerbate current resentment towards immigrants in the UK. Is it just me or should immigrants perhaps take a bloody minute to learn the lingo
    Last edited by Plan C; September 09, 2008 at 03:53 AM.

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    Cheers to globalization - Polish cleaners, Pakistani cooks and Russian prostitutes
    Come on - you can´t stop the immigration - who´d be cleaning your scheisse for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by perun View Post
    Cheers to globalization - Polish cleaners, Pakistani cooks and Russian prostitutes
    Come on - you can´t stop the immigration - who´d be cleaning your scheisse for you?
    I may be an inbred toff but I'm happy to clean my own sheisse, thank you.

    What really gets me is that people come over to the UK with no knowledge of our language and blame it on everyone else except themselves.

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    Most Poles that I have spoken to (working retail I come across quite a few lol) do have a basic knowledge of English. A lot of them speak english between themselves just to practice it lol.

    With regards to Ms Smolarek, too right you don't have a disability, if you had a learning dificulty and could not learn another langauge then things could be discussed. Not learning a language is not the employers problem. Why don't immigration agencies give basic english lessons or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by marrow View Post
    I may be an inbred toff but I'm happy to clean my own sheisse, thank you.

    What really gets me is that people come over to the UK with no knowledge of our language and blame it on everyone else except themselves.
    Now you know a little what its like to live in the South West of the United States .

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    Default Re: Polish cleaner demands compensation claiming lack of English is disability

    While it was not fair that the employer tricked her to work under minimum wage, lack of english is not a disability.

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    her inability to understand her job contract
    So she has signed a contract - knowing full well she could not understand it?

    That's her fault then.

    paying her less than the minimum wage
    However the employer equally, should be paying her the minimum wage.

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    if he wins his clam, i will be pissed off.

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    of course what the polish lady claims is rediculous i just want to warn about drawing conclusions like all immigrants are of equal stupidity.
    she cant read her contract so she is easy to fool. like my granny used to say - tough s hit
    but isnt it illegal to pay less then minimum wage?
    will the employer get into or is he allowed to pay less then minimum wage if the employee does not object?!? i dont know the british law

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    For the record - I'm strongly against tarring everyone with the same brush and it's folly to say "all immigrants are of equal stupidity" especially that most of them are a lot more on the ball than the Brits.

    What I want to express thought is this: throughout the ages, through thick and thin Britain has always appreciated services of any dedicated individual who served the crown, would they be Indian, Polish, Scottish (sporadically even Welsh, at a push ) or of any nationality. The part of British achievements I'm most proud of is the fact that merit was always recognised above the station in this country (well, almost) and that everyone has always been welcome here provided they contibute to the welfare of the nation and serve HRM to the best of their abilities.

    I hate to bash Labour again as most of us have had well enough of that but I feel that despicable changes to the fabric of British society and dissolution of British core values in the past years can be squarely pinned on New Labour's efforts and policies.
    Last edited by Plan C; September 09, 2008 at 05:58 AM.

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    Unfair, yes. Disability, no.

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    she should sue the cleaning firm for underpaying her - full stop. claiming not understanding the language is an impairment is just silly. it means i have about 55,000 impairments, as i speak only 5 languages.
    i live in london, and my polish cleaning lady speaks no english apart from "kitchin?", "living rum?" and "rubbeesh?" which results in hilarious situations trying to act out what exactly i want her to do (she's ugly as the night, so no, no that kind of stuff).

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    God, when will we get rid of all these immigrants? I mean it is so obvious they are the reason that everything is bad everywhere. As soon as we get rid of them, everyone will start living in a paradise with no crime, poverty or hunger.

    Then we just need to get rid of oil which is the only reason mankind has ever fought wars.

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    Haha she got owned.
    Hotel should get in trouble for f-ing over an employee but she should not get any sort of discrimination payout for not understanding English, thats her own fault. She should only receive the money the hotel didn't pay her.
















    Then deport her.

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    Bloody capitalists. Every employee should be paid minimum wage award at minumum, by the law. At least that is the case in Australia which is a legal state. I say good on her for suing them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grobar View Post
    Bloody capitalists. Every employee should be paid minimum wage award at minumum, by the law. At least that is the case in Australia which is a legal state. I say good on her for suing them.

    Well I'm 18 and technicaly I should be on the minumum wage of £5.50 (is that right?) but because my work (a stupid jewelery shop chain, H. Samuel) works on a pathetic commision scheme (I get 0.25% base commision rate.) I am paid well under the minimum wage at £4.70 an hour. For every £100 I sell I get 25p commision. If I hit my daily target which is usualy around £300 I will earn another 75p for 6 hours work. This means that on average I earn £4.82 an hour. I don'tknw why the minimum wage isn't enforced more because there are obviously ways around it as you can see from my own experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calamari View Post
    Well I'm 18 and technicaly I should be on the minumum wage of £5.50 (is that right?) but because my work (a stupid jewelery shop chain, H. Samuel) works on a pathetic commision scheme (I get 0.25% base commision rate.) I am paid well under the minimum wage at £4.70 an hour. For every £100 I sell I get 25p commision. If I hit my daily target which is usualy around £300 I will earn another 75p for 6 hours work. This means that on average I earn £4.82 an hour. I don'tknw why the minimum wage isn't enforced more because there are obviously ways around it as you can see from my own experience.
    If i'm not mistaken it's only 5.5 in the capital - a little less anywhere else? i might be wrong though. Sorry to hear that man, that is really not much for a hard day's work ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by marrow View Post
    Did someone say "we need tougher laws on immigration"?
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    Then deport her.
    Why is the concept of European Union citizenship so difficult for people to understand?

    She can live and work where she likes.

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    If an employer pay less then minimum wage then they shud be fined and forced to pay the worker wathever he/she is owed.
    A contract with salary under minimum wage is illegal and as such can`t apply.

    But no way that not knowing the language is a disability. If you go to a foreign country you shud attempt to learn the languages befor you go there or at the very least during your stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilting View Post
    Why is the concept of European Union citizenship so difficult for people to understand?

    She can live and work where she likes.
    There is nothing about the fraudulant and ridiculous EU citizenship law that ignores soverign nations borders and rights I don't understand....accepting such a disgusting law is another thing entirely.

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