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    The Russian president has agreed to withdraw all Russian troops from Georgia proper within a month. Considering it was after a meeting with the French President Nicolas Sarkozy, I think its fair to say that the suspension of partnership talks has had an effect. I think its a major U turn on the previous Russian position that it would keep buffer zones within Georgia proper.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7604376.stm

    Russia has pledged to remove its forces from Georgian land - excluding Abkhazia and South Ossetia - within a month, French President Nicolas Sarkozy says.

    Russian leader Dmitry Medvedev, who met Mr Sarkozy in Moscow, said the pull-out would happen once 200 EU monitors had been deployed in South Ossetia.

    Mr Medvedev said he would also need assurances that Georgia would not try to use force in the region again.

    But he made no mention of withdrawing troops from South Ossetia or Abkhazia.

    And he defended Russia's controversial decision to recognise the independence of both of the breakaway regions, saying the move was "irrevocable".

    Among other measures announced after the talks, Russia agreed to remove a key checkpoint from near the port of Poti within a week - but only if Georgia signed a pledge to not use force against Abkhazia.

    And Mr Medvedev said there would be international talks on the conflict, which would take place in Geneva on 15 October.

    The two leaders took part in more than three hours of talks, which also involved the EU foreign policy chief, Javier Solana, and the European Commission head, Jose Manuel Barroso.

    Mr Sarkozy was pressing Russia to meet the terms of the ceasefire agreement and withdraw its troops from Georgia.

    Russia had said the deal allowed it to keep peacekeepers in several buffer zones around two breakaway Georgian regions.

    Russian troops entered Georgia after responding with force to Georgian attempts to recapture South Ossetia last month.
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    Russia "gives in" .

    it was obvious from the start that presence of Russian peacekeepers in Georgia was a temporary measure, as indicated in Russian-French peace treaty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Russia "gives in" .

    it was obvious from the start that presence of Russian peacekeepers in Georgia was a temporary measure, as indicated in Russian-French peace treaty.
    I'll join you in your . From the western point of view, the russians will still be in Georgia (Abchazia & SO), from the russian point of view they are merely carrying out a previous agreement with Sarkozy. Where's the 'giving in' bit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Russia "gives in" .

    it was obvious from the start that presence of Russian peacekeepers in Georgia was a temporary measure, as indicated in Russian-French peace treaty.
    And the spin begins! Of course Erik (gasp yes Erik) is right in who knows whether THIS time the Russians will actually follow thru on their word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    And the spin begins!
    spin, as in fact that you'd rather not admit ?

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    Thats good, The two territorys will keep their independance. It will be only a matter of time before the Georgian people realise what a hash of things their president has made, and get rid of him, He is banking on British and American support to get into NATO to save his position. I don't think most of the other NATO partners want him and will block his application.
    Russia withdraw from co-operation with NATO, what has it got them so far,hostile missile batteries on their borders, and if anyone believes the crap about using them as protection against Iran then they want to wake up. regards magpie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrond View Post
    The Russian president has agreed to withdraw all Russian troops from Georgia proper within a month. Considering it was after a meeting with the French President Nicolas Sarkozy, I think its fair to say that the suspension of partnership talks has had an effect. I think its a major U turn on the previous Russian position that it would keep buffer zones within Georgia proper.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7604376.stm
    Plus what the article doesn't mention: Russia will cease its collaboration with NATO, if Georgia gets the MAP. I'm not sure, is this is a threat or actually something to be happy about?
    It's to Russia's own disadvantage to cease relations with NATO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flavius Merobaudes View Post
    It's to Russia's own disadvantage to cease relations with NATO.
    it is NATO's disadvantage to cease relations with Russia as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elrond View Post
    I think its a major U turn on the previous Russian position that it would keep buffer zones within Georgia proper.
    LOL, if I counted correctly, this is the THIRD time Russia has promised to withdraw.
    Hardly a U turn.

    Unless you actually believe Russia will keep its promise this time.



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    Russia trying to effectively de-tooth georgia....damn well hope the french president will not be so naieve as to agree with russian demands for georgian agreement to 'never use force again'.

    Russia's trying its best to get as much as it can from this while attempting to look in a position of strength - its already failed really though, seeing as how they didnt achieve 'regime change' in Georgia-proper, and the political reactions of the rest of the world.
    Last edited by Carach; September 08, 2008 at 11:12 AM.

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    When Georgia is in NATO, the Russians will give in. Not before. Their thirst for power is unrelenting and they will dominate and abuse their neighbours to any extent necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cluny the Scourge View Post
    When Georgia is in NATO, the Russians will give in. Not before. Their thirst for power is unrelenting and they will dominate and abuse their neighbours to any extent necessary.
    Georgia will not be accepted into NATO....
    com'on.... that would mean ww3....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri Orlov View Post
    Georgia will not be accepted into NATO....
    com'on.... that would mean ww3....
    no, it would merely mean more useless threats being issued from moscow.

    theyre baseless too, because Georgia is actually in need of defending now...thanks goes to Russia for showing the west that its policies towards eastern europe and nato membership was correct all along.

    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    spin, as in fact that you'd rather not admit ?
    the fact was .. where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    no, it would merely mean more useless threats being issued from moscow.
    MOC-KBA moskva? wet?

    anyways... if NATO has any brains it will not make Georgia a NATO member...
    the West is doing okey atm, oil is comming in, no real threats...

    why risk that for the Saksavili regime?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri Orlov View Post
    why risk that for the Saksavili regime?

    Because Georgia wants to join NATO and Russia doesn't have a say in Georgia's internal or foreign policy.

    and NATO doesn't want to look weak by backing down because of Russian threats...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri Orlov View Post
    MOC-KBA moskva? wet?

    anyways... if NATO has any brains it will not make Georgia a NATO member...
    the West is doing okey atm, oil is comming in, no real threats...

    why risk that for the Saksavili regime?
    nah, just the constant stream of threats over the last few years relating to the ballistic missile shield in europe (aiming nuclear weapons at people....so on so forth) and the massive amount of threats made during the georgian conflict (telling all those eastern european states thatthey would face the wrath of russia's retaliation for supporting georgia etc etc)... and unbelievably the threats russia has made against europe after calls for ceasefires and then requests for russia's compliance with said ceasefires that it signed but was ignoring.

    we're not risking anything by allowing georgia nato membership - we've already told them they could have it eventually prior to russian invasion attempts to disable georgia's ability actually join. Considering georgia's importance for oil and gas imports to europe its essential they are allowed to join ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    the fact was .. where?
    read post #2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri Orlov View Post
    Georgia will not be accepted into NATO....
    com'on.... that would mean ww3....
    At the moment it seems very likely that Georgia will join NATO within the next 5-8 years.
    And tell me, why would that mean WW3? I don't believe it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yuri Orlov View Post
    Georgia will not be accepted into NATO....
    com'on.... that would mean ww3....
    Why exactly? Is it not Georgia and NATO's right to decide who it is going to enter agreements with? I propose our Russian friends form an alliance with Iran, Venezeula and Cuba. Russians can have an nice expensive base in Venezeula...it would amuse me just to hear the attempted justification for it.

    spin, as in fact that you'd rather not admit
    Right cause your history of posting "facts" is long and impressive.....

    the fact was .. where?
    It's like a Where's Waldo you gotta search for it except without the Waldo.

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    Why exactly? Is it not Georgia and NATO's right to decide who it is going to enter agreements with? I propose our Russian friends form an alliance with Iran, Venezeula and Cuba. Russians can have an nice expensive base in Venezeula...it would amuse me just to hear the attempted justification for it.
    since they are not that stupid, and they need russian hydrcarbons..

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