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    When members of the Air Force's 447th Explosive Ordnance Disposal unit first arrived here in May, they were dealing with three to four roadside bombs a week. During prior tours, the group's veterans say at least one a day was normal.

    But last month, they went their first week without encountering a single roadside bomb.

    For US soldiers in Iraq, this decline is perhaps the loudest herald of a quieter Iraq. It's also representative of the US military's greater strategic shift, focusing less on individual threats like improvised explosive devices (IEDs) and broadening their scope to the larger counterinsurgency mission.

    "We've made a mistake focusing on IEDs as a technological threat," says Frederick Kagan, a military expert at the American Enterprise Institute. To defeat roadside bombs in Iraq, the military had to broaden their focus beyond the devices and look at them as a piece of the entire conflict. "As we've been winning the counterinsurgency, the effectiveness of IEDs has been wearing off," he says.

    IEDs, the military's name for roadside bombs, have posed the biggest threat for most of the war, accounting for the death of more than half of all US servicemen killed in combat. But since the troop surge began earlier this year, which is also when the military began to place a greater emphasis on counterinsurgency tactics, US military officials say IED attacks have dropped by 70 percent.
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    Well, I guess this means the US is losing the war after all. The naysayers were right. Damn hopeless situations.


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    Sorry Harry Reid already declared the war lost 2 years ago. The insurgents need to stop thinking they are defeated and take the encouragement of our Democratic leadership to heart.

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    Ramadan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serious Spamurai View Post
    Ramadan?
    Every year somebody starts a thread about how all of Iraq will ignite into a fireball during Ramadan given that the insurgency steps it up around now. Problem is, what is left of the insurgency as a whole is struggling just to survive let alone keep up their status quo.
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    Well, I can honestly say I'm glad I was wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with the war though.
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    I said two years ago that in ten years i'd be enjoying a big mac in baghdad. I said that on this very sight and people laughed. Doesn't look so improbable now does it?
    Sure I've been called a xenophobe, but the truth is Im not. I honestly feel that America is the best country and all other countries aren't as good. That used to be called patriotism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226 View Post
    I said two years ago that in ten years i'd be enjoying a big mac in baghdad. I said that on this very sight and people laughed. Doesn't look so improbable now does it?

    Enjoying a big mac? Now that is indeed laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SigniferOne View Post
    Somewhere lost between Palin = evil, Palin= jesus second coming and russian flag waving was the fact US also Anbar will be turned over to Iraqi control fully soon.

    Well, I can honestly say I'm glad I was wrong. Doesn't mean I agree with the war though.
    Honestly so I am, not out of childish haha you were wrong nonsense but just the fact that the surge DID work.

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    Danzig, that means the war is finally about to dissolve into plain chaos, right?


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    I am very happy with this.

    I'd bet that within a few years, Iraq will be a nice, powerful democracy in the middle East.

    And yet again the naysayers and leftist BS-ers are proven wrong. No, the US has not lost the Iraq war despite them claiming it all the time.
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    I'd bet that within a few years, Iraq will be a nice, powerful democracy in the middle East.
    Hah, yeah. Iraq was severly damaged in the war and in the incompetent management of Paul Bremer' dictatorship.

    And yet again the naysayers and leftist BS-ers are proven wrong.
    What exactly?

    I've been right about everything. I knew the US "surge" would probably have some effect on the level of violence. But more so than the surge, the Biden-ish plan of localizing power and empowering locals to fight the insurgency was much more important. But the US efforts also included arming of rather questionable factions.

    Of course, the insurgency would never have really emerged in the scale that it did, without the incompetence of the neocons.

    Also, none of this changes the fact that Iraq war was immoral decision. It doesn't change the fact that millions were displaced, thousands lost their homes and livelyhoods, and over a million lives were lost. It demolished the economy and infrastructure. The war had no justification and it was pursued ruthlessly with outrageous lies and misdemeanors.
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    I was deeply ironical on this WMD case, and I did not believe in possibility that Iraq may become democratic.

    Basically, ball is on Iraqi's court now. If they can't make compromises, it is not "west" fault anymore.

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    Default Re: Iraq: Attacks from IEDs down 78%

    I guess McCain's policy of trying to win is a better strategy than Obama's getting up on a podium to announce imminent doom.


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    Even Muslims get tired of killing...

    Who here honestly believed it would be like.... what's that one country that's perpetually in inner turmoil?

    Ah, nevermind, all people get tired of killing. Eventually they die out, or don't have enough to kill, or become pastors..
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    I've always viewed winning as a good thing for all Americans, Brits and Iraqis, despite my objections to the invasion. Its good for all Americans except those who seek to profit politically from a US military defeat. Making it bad news for Obama, a guy who started his campaign by staking his electability on the "inevitable" failure of US forces in Iraq, everytime violence went up he pulled the ole "I told you so! Vote for me". When the troop surge was kicked off initially, the following month violence was down 150% over the previous year, Obama all of a sudden wants to talk about healthcare... If McCain's strategy holds true up through November, Obama wont have a leg to stand on. As violence goes down in Iraq, so does the prospect of Obama taking office in the US.


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    Biden's 3 state strategy seems to have worked. Partition the country between the major ethnic parties (Kurdish regions, the Shia "Iraqi Government" and the Sunni Awakening Councils/Sons of Iraq) and partion the mixed cities (with massive concrete walls) and encourage relocation.

    Surge or no surge, without giving the Awakening Councils autonomous power, the insurgency would be as strong as ever. The idea of a unified Iraq should have been abandoned 5 years ago.

    But is it worth 12 Billion a month to perform this political science experiment? I doubt it. We should let Iraq become stable on its own, (which would probably lead to a sunni-shia-kurd partition anyways), and then deal with the resulting leadership. The kurds independently selected agreeable leaders, the shia elected agreeable enough leadership (Malaki), and the Sunni can be leveraged with our Saudi/Kuwati allies to be agreeable.

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    Is Iraq better off right now than in 2001? How about 1981? Certainly not 1991 or 1999.

    Whose to say what happens in the future, it's not like Wolfowitz and co were right about the welcoming with open arms.

    As violence goes down, all that means is Iraqis are getting tired. Which is no wonder, considering the malnutrition suffered since the '90s.

    It COULD mean Obama being able to get American troops, especially National Guardsmen, out of that place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna View Post
    Is Iraq better off right now than in 2001? How about 1981? Certainly not 1991 or 1999.

    Whose to say what happens in the future, it's not like Wolfowitz and co were right about the welcoming with open arms.

    As violence goes down, all that means is Iraqis are getting tired. Which is no wonder, considering the malnutrition suffered since the '90s.

    It COULD mean Obama being able to get American troops, especially National Guardsmen, out of that place.
    Did I say better off? ... No I didn't. Did I say I'm glad the Bush administration made the decision to invade?.... nope, didn't say that either. Try actually reading the post you're responding to.
    However what I did say, is that any progress made, any hope for peace, has not come about because of Barack Obama's hollow statements. It came about from a change in strategy advocated by Obama's adversary. That says a lot.


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    For Iraq to be secure, the government needed its nationalized industries under control. ie oil.

    Democracy is secondary only to economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Da Skinna
    For Iraq to be secure, the government needed its nationalized industries under control. ie oil.
    Why would the whole oil and industry be nationalized?
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