Confederate Independence

[Celsius]

Does anyone on this forum believe in the Confederate States of America. And just so you know, whis has nothing to do with race. This is only for people who believe in what General Robert E. Lee believed in. He fought for his State and Country. Any supporters?




The South Will Rise Again

[scottishranger]

oh dear god...

give it up already. Union won, the Confederates lost. IT was inevitable and will never change.

[El Brujo]

Before the South Hate begins in earnest, I would like to put in some links to the Confederate Constitution, which I believe was superior in some ways to the one we have now. Just for historical interest.

The Constitution of the Confederate States of America

Differences between the two Constitutions

[VoodooTengo]

It would give a whole new meaning to the term "white trash nation". However I am in favor of you people seceding, because as one of the colonels said the "secesh seed must be wiped from the earth".

[Celsius]

you people? what the hell does that mean?!

[scottishranger]

The Southern Constitution was weak. What do you tink would have happened if the south broke free eh? More regions would have broken off from both th CSA and the USA. That would lead to foreign exploitation. No more Monroe Doctrine. All of a sudden, France owns Mexico, the Western States break away and form there own little country, and now N. America would look like South America in terms of poverty and fracture of nations.

[El Brujo]

The Southern Constitution was weak.

How so?

What do you tink would have happened if the south broke free eh? More regions would have broken off from both th CSA and the USA.

Maybe. Then again, they might not have.

That would lead to foreign exploitation. No more Monroe Doctrine.

The Monroe Doctrine was a joke until T. Roosevelt anyway.

All of a sudden, France owns Mexico,

That happened anyway, and France wasn't able to hold on to it regardless.

the Western States break away and form there own little country

Good for them.

and now N. America would look like South America in terms of poverty and fracture of nations.

Hardly. South America wouldn't be any better off if they were under one country. They were one country in fact, and all their wealth was siphoned off to a distant king.

Larger, more centralized countries are good for the state/government, but don't necessarily help the people at all.

If we allowed the Confederacy, we basically just go back to the Articles of Conferation

The Confederate Constitution gave more power the central government than the Articles.

[Celsius]

Is that a bad thing.It might have cut down on illegal immigration.

[John I Tzimisces]

Is that a bad thing.It might have cut down on illegal immigration.

It's mind blowing that you value cutting down illegal immigration over the possibility or indeed likelihood that what is now the united states could be a collection of warring and possibly 3rd world states.

Blows.
My.
Mind.

and plus, The CSA put God (which most people believed in) in the constitution.

You don't seem to be familiar with Matthew 22:21.

[El Brujo]

It's mind blowing that you value cutting down illegal immigration over the possibility or indeed likelihood that what is now the united states could be a collection of warring and possibly 3rd world states.

At least they'd be American states.

[John I Tzimisces]

At least they'd be American states.

And so this post isn't spam: That's the most laughable argument ever.

[scottishranger]

No participation in WWI. miliaristic Germany crushes the allies without U.S. material aid. Germany has hegemony over all of Europe and likely Africa. Some little split off nation in the U.S. invites Germany to America or the Reich tries to take British Canada. Everything would go wrong...

[Justice and Mercy]

No participation in WWI. miliaristic Germany crushes the allies without U.S. material aid. Germany has hegemony over all of Europe and likely Africa. Some little split off nation in the U.S. invites Germany to America or the Reich tries to take British Canada. Everything would go wrong...

...

What's wrong with WWI Germany having hegemony over Europe and Africa?

I think they kicked ass.

[Celsius]

bull crap.

[Oglethorpe1983]

If you follow the letter of our Constitution...then no... The United States Consitituion prohibts the creation of a "confederacy"

In Section 10 of the Constitution "No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation..."

and

"No State shall, without the Consent of Congress... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."


However... In theory I do.... the rights of states I believe should not be marginalied. if a state or states have sufficient grievance against the federal government I believe they have the right to do what is necessary to address that grievence.

The Civil War... Gen Robert E. Lee's Confederacy was more then just about Slavery... it was about the rights of the State vs the Federal Government. In a sense both the South and the North faught for noble causes...the south however has been villified by history.

So to answer the question... I do believe in the Confederacy.... it may not have been valid in the eyes of the constitution..but it was made so in the spirit of the endevour...and in the blood of those that gave their lives to defend and honor it.

[Celsius]

Finally! Someone who actual has a brain.

[scottishranger]

I have no problem with States rights, its just that if we allowed secession, that would exponentially decrease the power of the Federal government to govern. There are advantages to having a centralized authority. If we allowed the Confederacy, we basically just go back to the Articles of Conferation, because then any state could secede under the slightest of pretenses.

[Celsius]

I have no problem with States rights, its just that if we allowed secession, that would exponentially decrease the power of the Federal government to govern. There are advantages to having a centralized authority. If we allowed the Confederacy, we basically just go back to the Articles of Conferation, because then any state could secede under the slightest of pretenses.

Have you never heard of "The Confederate States of America"?

There would have still been a federal government. Just a little changes would have been made.

[knight of virtue and valor]

I have nothing against the south, but people that think that other people are stupid just because there not white really tick me off!

[scottishranger]

Your saying the people would be better under those fractional governments than now? What about the slaves....

How so?

Precedent. Once one part of a nation breaks free, its only a atter of time before another part demands more and more, amounting to essenitally blackmail.