Replacing Cultures

[Augustus Lucifer]

Posting this because I'm curious if anyone has tried replacing the Vanilla cultures with new ones, by removing them from the various areas and adding new cultures back the same way you add an additional culture. In theory it shouldn't be an issue, but everywhere I look people are just renaming the outer text and saying "northern_european = mynewculture1", etc. and saying this way is easier. Well it isn't really easier, might be bug preventative, but it isn't particularly easy remembering wacky this = this.

So, I'm curious if anyone has removed existing cultures or not. I don't intend to touch southern_european, too many things tied up in it, but the rest seem viable. alpaca's stripped down mod folder, has only southern_european in the descr_cultures.txt, which implies he must think it's possible to have them all replaced without huge errors if done correctly.

Personal experiences and opinions are welcome, will be dealing with these probably tomorrow, and religions as well.

Cheers,
Augustus

[SigniferOne]

Posting this because I'm curious if anyone has tried replacing the Vanilla cultures with new ones, by removing them from the various areas and adding new cultures back the same way you add an additional culture. In theory it shouldn't be an issue, but everywhere I look people are just renaming the outer text and saying "northern_european = mynewculture1", etc.

That's because people are lazy.

I've replaced all seven cultures without a problem, including the hugely important southern_european. You can remove all the other ones with a cinch because even if done incorrectly they all default back to southern_european. Now, if you take some time and remove southern_european carefully, then you won't have a problem with it either.

[Augustus Lucifer]

That's because people are lazy.

So true , everyone keeps telling me just to edit display areas, but I'm sorry, unless there's a recurring and indefinite CTD, like with editing the sm_resources(apparently?), I want my to make sense.

I've replaced all seven cultures without a problem, including the hugely important southern_european. You can remove all the other ones with a cinch because even if done incorrectly they all default back to southern_european. Now, if you take some time and remove southern_european carefully, then you won't have a problem with it either.

Alright, thanks a lot mate, good to hear someone else has done this and got it working, after seeing BC and SS both use base cultures, I thought I was on my own here. Also good to know about the southern_european, for the time being I'm opting to leave southern_european, catholic, and papal_states in the game but unused, just for stability sake, until the faction/religion/culture slot is required.

Just out of curiosity, I will see for myself tomorrow, but when you have a lot of religions, does it make the UI look really ugly? I won't be having 10 religions, only 7 as of this time including the unused catholic.

Cheers,
Augustus

[SigniferOne]

Nah there are no graphical glitches. The reason there even exists a 10-religion cap is that there's only that much space for them in the interface. I think in principle you're allowed to add more than 10.

[Augustus Lucifer]

It works fine, 5 new religions and 6 new cultures

Looks like it isn't finding a lot of portraits paths, but I guess that's because in the main installation all the princesses and such are only present in the southern_european culture, and mine are all copies of eastern_european in the UI area. For future reference, since it seems to be defaulting to southern_european for everything and anything the other cultures don't have, how did you manage to replace southern_european and still have it maintain that default nature?

Cheers,
Augustus

[SigniferOne]

The "default nature" comes from the first culture specified in descr_cultures.txt. Whatever that faction is, the game treats it as fundamental and goes to it when the below ones get broken. So if a non-default culture has all of the required elements, the game will not go to southern_european for help. And to save space, you simply need to have the first culture have all of the required elements, and the game will feed off it.

[Augustus Lucifer]

The "default nature" comes from the first culture specified in descr_cultures.txt. Whatever that faction is, the game treats it as fundamental and goes to it when the below ones get broken. So if a non-default culture has all of the required elements, the game will not go to southern_european for help. And to save space, you simply need to have the first culture have all of the required elements, and the game will feed off it.

Alright, thanks for elaborating on that. Was pretty much what I figured would be the case, but then I've figured a lot of things that seemed logical but the game decided weren't, so good to hear it from someone who's messed with it. Now just to bash the sound files with a hammer .

Cheers,
Augustus