World Wars

[Aonghus G. Friedhold]

How plausible are they in M2TW? I mean, most of the time, if you have enough people on each side, everyone on your side just dinks around while you do all the fighting, unless you fork over some cash in exchange for military assisstance. Personally, I've had every faction except for the Aztecs on one alliance or another. I was Scotland, I had France, Byzantium, the Turks, Venice, Sicily, Papal States, Spain, and the Mongols. The other side had England, HRE, Poland, Hungary, Denmark, Milan, Portugal, Moors, Egypt, and the Timurids. More people on the other side, but England was two territories surrounded by me and France, and one human faction equals roughly 5 AI factions. So, in a shocking act of cohession and working diplomacy, France and I attacked and destroyed England in one turn. This really pissed the HRE off, so they declared war, so Poland did, so Milan did, etc. My side did the same. So, World War is commenced, but, I'm getting pounded my the HRE and France is running around in the unnocupied deserts of Africa. I manage to convince my allies to go after the most convient and logical targets, and we've got ourselves a World WAr. I'm feeling very proud of myself, when France attacks me, HRE cancels it's alliance with Poland, the Turks get wiped, the Timurids and the Mongols break off with everyone to join each other, basically everything is desolving because of the limits of the AI, and within 10 turns everyone is at war with one person or another, and I get pounded by France, Portugal, the Moors, HRE, Denmark, Milan, Sicily, and Egypt, until I'm forced to negotiate ceasefires by giving up my land and everyone else tears eacother apart and I go conquer the now rebel lands.


Basically, from my experience, the AI is to limited for World Wars to happen well. Has anyone managed to pull of a real, lasting World War or anything resembling one?

[Elvallie]

Hey, that was a nice campaign anyway. ^^ +rep

[Double A]

Not really, but right now its half the Catholic factions (- the dead Milanese and the out of touch Scots) on my side (plus the Mongols and Russians) and the other half and the Turks (led by the HRE) on the other. And the only thing stopping me from pounding the immortal crap out of em is that the Pope is allies with me AND the HRE. Oh and there is a Moorish-France alliance becasue the Pope hates France right now, and Egypt is almost dead. (yay me!)

[Azim]

I managed to get a world war.

I was playing a Sicilian campaign on M/M.

First off, let me state that I purposefully nerfed my economy early on in this game to make the campaign harder. Rather than spend money on infrastructure, I gave it away to other nations. Unfortunately, this was a little too effective. For the first hundered turns, I found myself in the negatives more often than not. However, I also had more regions than any other faction (Mainly because of my crusades in the holy land) As a result, my forces were very thinly spread out, and all of my good generals were located in the holy land, far away from holy land. And I wouldn't be able to reinforce my armies for dozens of turns at a time.

There were two alliances: My alliance, with Sicily, France, the HRE, Spain Venice, and the Papacy. The other alliance was the Milanese alliances with Milan, Portugal, Poland, Russia, and England. Every nation in my alliance was allied with every other nation in the alliance, forming a very tight bond. The Milanese alliance was more loose, but every nation in the alliance was at least allied with Milan.

The roots of the war go back to the beginning of the campaign when Milan conquered Venice and Ragusa, limiting the nation of Venice to Crete. Most of my allies in the north attacked Milan as their relations soured. I, however, stayed neutral, because I was pouring all of my money into subduing the holy land, in which there was a lot of religious unrest. The war escalated. England and Milan attacked France, and Milan attacked the HRE. Both France and the HRE lost many of their territories. I still decided not to help because of the troubles in the holy land. After about 10 turns, however, Milan took the war to me by blockading several of my main ports and putting me into the negatives. They easily crushed my much smaller fleet. The next turn, they landed a full stack with a five star general outside of Cagliari, in which I had only a three star general, a unit of mailed knights, and a unit of peasant archers. I was forced to abandon the city and sent my general into the woods to the north. Still in the negatives, and with my fleet destroyed, I couldn't reinforce the general. Portugal declared war on me and sent reinforcements to the island. Russia also helped to blockade my ports. With my own fleet destroyed, I had to rely on the Franch and German fleets to free my ports for me. However, one turn later, the Milanese full stack moved north, right past my army. I got a successful ambush and destroyed their army. (They had left their general back in Cagliari, so it was an easy battle.) With Milan's full stack destroyed, I retook Cagliari in a few turns. I decided that the only way to defeat the Milanese was to kick them out of Italy, so I requested a crusade on Milan. Every nation in my alliance joined the crusade. France managed to win back all of its territories from Milan, Spain took the city of Milan, the HRE took Genoa, and I took Venice. In the last moments of the war, Portugal and England betrayed Milan and attacked them. So ended the first world war. There would be more. While I thought that Milan had been exiled to Ragusa, It had actually been able to carve out a kingdom between Poland and the HRE. Howver, without an alliance behind it, Milan was no longer a dangerous opponent. The real threat would become Byzantium and its alliance of the east.

[Double A]

... and? What happened next? It sounds interesting, and then you gave me a cliffhanger! WHAT KIND OF PERSON ARE YOU!

I mean, please go on.

[Azim]

Sorry, I accidentally hit tab and then enter. (How do you hit both buttons like that?) Anyway, I finished it now.

[Double A]

EPIC!

[Theseus1234]

wow

WW 0.5!

[Azim]

Here's a screenie:



At the bottom, you can see my general in exile from Cagliari. At the top, you can see a French crusading army marching on Milan. (The army was unsuccessful) Also notice my income...

[Double A]

Wow thats 40000 less than I always have.