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    1. Sen. Obama gives flowery speeches on change and hope. But he's part of one of the most corrupt political machines of all time. And instead of fighting and trying to reform the corrupt Chicago Cook County political machine, he used it to rise to power. When reformers tried to fight it, Mr. Obama refused to help them and actually was instrumental in defeating the reform movement. He preaches a new kind of politics but supports and uses one of the worst political machines in the U.S.

    2. He led the battle in the Illinois legislature to assure that born-alive infants would not be treated as persons and would not be entitled to medical care. Instead, if Sen. Obama had his way, such babies born alive after a botched abortion would be left to die, thus legalizing what appears to be infanticide and murder.

    3. When he first responded to Russia's invasion of Georgia, he said that aggression was wrong, but the U.S. would be in a better position if we set a good example. Thus he made it clear he was drawing a moral equivalence between Russia's aggression and the U.S.'s liberation of Iraq, which had violated 17 United Nations resolutions. This reaction alone, suggests not merely bad judgment but apparently no judgment at all. Then after giving it more thought, his second response was turning the matter over to the United Nations. That of course was a stupid idea as Russia has a veto in the Security Council.

    4. He sat in the pews of the Trinity Church in Chicago, listening to a notorious racist, bigot and anti-American, Rev. Jeremiah "God Damn America" Wright, without a peep of protest. He did not leave the church until Rev. Wright said Obama is just another politician who says what he has to say. And that move was dictated by political considerations, not any moral outrage.

    5. He started his political career in a fund-raiser in the home of William Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist and anti-American. He still hasn't denounced him but says Mr. Ayers is now a member of the Chicago Democratic mainstream. He still maintains a friendly relationship with him, has served on a board with him, and has participated in speaking panels with him.

    6. He refused to wear a flag on his lapel, claiming he viewed it as a symbol of false patriotism employed after 9/11. He started wearing the flag only when he was embarrassed into doing so under political pressure. At that time he suddenly started ending his speeches with the words "God Bless America."

    7. He got an earmark appropriation from Congress for his wife's employer, the University of Chicago Medical Center. When questioned on the appearance of conflict of interest, he said there was nothing improper about that but he should have gone to his fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durban, to put the appropriation through. In other words, if there is an appearance of conflict of interest, you should hide it somehow instead of avoiding what creates such appearance. This is a pattern: saying one thing and doing the opposite. When he started to run for the presidency, he stopped putting in earmarks. As is his usual pattern, he started doing the right thing for election purposes only. So judge him by his record, not moves that are merely campaign calculation.

    8. He favors increasing the capital gains tax, even though he admitted it will not raise tax revenue, but cut it instead. He justifies such an irrational move, out of what he calls a sense of fairness. That would mean less tax revenue, higher deficits and less incentive for saving, investment, capital formation, economic growth, and creation.

    9. He called for negotiations without preconditions with the Ahmadinejad of Iran, Chavez of Venzuela, and Castro of Cuba. Even Senator Obama recognized the folly of this idea, so he backed off of it after an explosion of criticism. He thinks sweet talk solves all problems, and when a problem calls for something beyond sweet talk, he 's stumped. He speaks loudly and often, but carries a toothpick-size stick which he is afraid to use. Another example of Mr. Obama's naiveté was his comment that Iran is a small country not to be feared.

    10. He opposed the surge, said it would fail, and even after it was almost universally acclaimed to be a success, he refuses to admit the surge succeed ed.

    11. He called for withdrawal from Iraq, in effect, calling for retreat and defeat, which would have turned over the Middle East and much of the world's oil supplies to terrorists and their supporters in Iran.

    12. He associated with and made a land deal with convicted felon, Tony Rezko, even knowing he was under serious investigation. He admitted this was what he called a boneheaded mistake. Mr. Obama seems incapable of judging his associates, as his close and friendly encounters with the hate-America and terrorist crowd suggests. Even an otherwise friendly biographer, said he is at home with the hate-America types.

    13. He claims he will bring all sides together but he has never shown any signs or symptoms of bipartisanship. His record is that of a far-left liberal, the most liberal of any member of the U.S. Senate. He goes down the party line, and never reaches across the aisle.

    14. He claims he will bring change to Washington, but picks a long-term Washington insider, Sen. Joe Biden, who has been in the Senate for decades, and is rated the third most liberal in the U.S. Senate. He claims he'll be the agent of change, but in his acceptance speech he catalogs the tired left-wing Democratic agenda, that has been regurgitated every four years for decades. He talks change but dishes up only the old liberal dishes, which have been rejected by voters many times from McGovern to Carter, and which have failed when implementation was attempted. If Mr. Obama wins the White House, he is likely to have a veto proof Congress, which mean all of his left-loony proposals would probably become law. Electoral history suggests Americans don't go for such unrestrained power. Beware of an Obama/Pelosi/Reid triumvirate that would bring us radical liberalism in its worst form.

    15. He says he wants to bring us energy independence but refuses to drill and extract our huge reserves, greater than those of Saudi Arabia. He wants us to check our tire pressure instead of drilling. Give me a break! He also advises everyone to tune-up their cars, even though most cars no longer need tune-ups.

    16. He never sticks with a job. For example, when he became senator he started writing his book. Then within two years of becoming a senator, he started running for president. It is not surprising that he has no legislative accomplishments. This has been the pattern of his entire career. He never sticks with anything long enough to chalk up significant achievements. That's why when asked about his accomplishments, his supporters seem to be stumped. Dean Barnett, in an article in the Weekly Standard (Sept. 1, 2008), entitled "Would You Hire Barack Obama? The resume of a chronic underachiever," writes, "You'd have to conclude that Obama's failure to commit himself to any career sufficiently to excel at it suggests some unexplained restlessness." I'd say it suggests he's a dilitante, who flits from one project to another, but never stays long enough to deliver a satisfactory end product.

    17. As talk show host Michael Medved has pointed out, the people vouching for him at the Democratic National Convention were mainly relatives, such as his wife and brother-in-law. There were not major figures vouching for him, because they could not vouch for a classic empty-suit. Even Hillary Clinton, in her convention endorsement speech, said Democrats must support him, but in no way vouched for his character or judgment. Contrast that with the people at the Republican National Convention who vouched for Sen. McCain - Sen. Joe Lieberman and former Sen. Fred Thompson.

    18. To bolster his foreign policy credentials, he picked Sen. Joe Biden as vice president. Sen. Biden voted for the war in Iraq, which vote Sen. Obama views as the symbol of bad judgment. So even Sen. Obama admits Sen. Biden ha bad judgment. Sen. Biden also comes up with wacky ideas of his own such as splitting Iraq, a sovereign nation, into three parts for the Kurds, Shias, and Sunnis. He also voted against the first Gulf War, even after Iraq had invaded Kuwait and threatened Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Middle East. I'd think most would consider that the height of bad judgment. He opposed the surge. He opposed Reagan's build-up to fight international communism, so his bad record is long and unbroken. Biden has judgment bad enough to match that of Sen. Obama's.

    19. He flip-flops on matters that suggest he has no principles except the old Chicago machine principle of do anything you have to do to get elected. He promised to take public financing, something that the great reformer and change artist claimed to be committed to. Then when he saw it was to his political advantage to stay with totally private contributions, as that would bring in more money, he went back on his promise and rejected public funding. He said that his wide array of contributors to his campaign made his approach into public financing, one of his more nonsensical pieces of logic. He think if he uses sufficient oratorical powers he can make two and two equal ten, or private financing equal public financing.

    20. He constantly uses such expressions as, "I would be glad to debate my opponent on that issue anytime, anywhere." But that is just for oratorical effect. In practice, he refused Sen. McCain's offer of a town meeting every week to debate the issues. He is clearly afraid of unscripted sessions. If he is not smart enough to go off the teleprompter and script, he is not smart enough to be president.

    When he participated in the Saddleback debate with Pastor Rick Warren, he demonstrated again he doesn't make sense when confronted with tough questions without the answers on a script. When asked when does life begin, he said that was above his pay-grade. If that question is above his pay grade so is the presidency of the United States.

    21.He would like voters to view him as a man of great political courage, but he has a documented record of political cowardice. For example, when in the Illinois legislature, he voted "present" over 100 times and was well known for taking that route, of neither a yes or no vote. Present is a classic sitting on the fence and waiting to find out which way the wind will blow. As William Kristol of the Weekly Standard (Sept. 1, 2008) has pointed out, " Has he shunned the easy path or broken with the conventional liberal pieties of those around him? Has he taken on his own party on a major issue? Nope."

    22. Mr. Obama bases his campaign on his superior judgment, and that in turn is based on his speech against the war in Iraq. Of course, he never made a vote against the war, as at the time he was in the Illinois legislature, not the U.S. Senate. He gave the speech at an anti-war rally in the liberal Hyde Park section in Chicago. But votes are more important than speeches. And since he's been in the Senate, he's been wrong on every issue related to Iraq. These mistaken positions were summed up in an article by Emery in the Weekly Standard (Sept.1, 2008) entitled "Misfortunes of War: Success in Iraq Confounds the Democrats." It isn't easy to be wrong on every vote and pronouncement on Iraq, but don't underestimate Sen. Obama's ineptness in the foreign policy area. Mr. Emery writes: "He claimed that the Anbar Awakening took place as a result of Democrats' congressional victories, but it began in September 2006, two months before before the voting took place. He opposed not only the troop surge, but also the strategic changes that took place along with it, that did so much to enable the victory. He said the American military had noting to do with the Anbar Awakening or with the retreat of the Sadr militia, something denied by the Iraqi military and by the Iraqi Sunnis themselves. He was also wrong in his predictions that none of this would occur."
    There's more in the link. What do you think? Does this change your opinion on the candidate Obama?
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    pretty lame, at least for the top 5, especially #4 and #5, pathetic attempts in digging up dirts on someone over things that happened so long ago and had little relevance to this year's election.
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    6. He's black.



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    I got one reason to vote FOR him.... Sarah Palin

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    OK, I just added them all right now.

    This one in particular caught my eye:

    20. He constantly uses such expressions as, "I would be glad to debate my opponent on that issue anytime, anywhere." But that is just for oratorical effect. In practice, he refused Sen. McCain's offer of a town meeting every week to debate the issues. He is clearly afraid of unscripted sessions. If he is not smart enough to go off the teleprompter and script, he is not smart enough to be president.
    That's not really fair, if you ask me. Sort of like "false advertising."


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    Sen. Obama gives flowery speeches on change and hope
    Palin was critizing Obama for using the word 'change' so much in his speach but then McCain goes right up and says reform 10 times in his most recent speech! It is so hypocritical.

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    pretty lame, at least for the top 5, especially #4 and #5, pathetic attempts in digging up dirts on someone over things that happened so long ago and had little relevance to this year's election.
    Their true. Obamas is lame as is anyone lame enough to vote for such a socialist. Another name for cpmmunity organizer....Rabble Rouser. Especially when your taught and use the Saul Alinsky style.

    That his career was launched by Bill Ayers(He hardly knows the man ) is irellevant.

    He is one more crooked Chicago politician

    Is this his idea of reform and reaching across party lines?

    Obama's Elected Illinois Democratic Colleagues: Corruption,Chicago Mob Ties,and Extremism

    Just how corrupt is Chicago? Former Alderman Dick Simpson who's now a professor at University of Illinois-Chicago has some interesting numbers on Chicago and Illinois:

    Since 1973, the U.S. attorney has indicted 30 aldermen and convicted 27 (one died before trial and two stand trial this spring). The Public Corruption and Accountability Project at UIC calculates that there have been more than 1,000 local and state governmental officials convicted since the 1970s. The "corruption tax," or cost of government corruption for Cook County residents, is now more than $300 million a year, greater than the local government tax increases this year. We can't really afford more local "Hired Truck" schemes, patronage hiring, or the state pension and driver license scandals of recent years.

    Things are so throughly corrupt in Chicago that U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald had to call for more help.As The Chicago Sun-Times reported:

    From an exhaustive Hired Truck investigation to a probe into patronage hiring at City Hall, there's so much corruption to investigate in the Chicago area, the FBI is adding manpower.

    FBI Special Agent in Charge Robert Grant told the Sun-Times he has reorganized the bureau to add a third public corruption squad by Sept. 6, giving Chicago the largest public corruption unit in the country.

    Even New York and Los Angeles only have two squads, said Washington-based FBI spokesman Steve Kodak. It is the second time in two years the FBI in Chicago has expanded its public corruption force.

    "Sometimes you create a new squad and tell agents to go out and find the work," Grant said. "Right now, we've got enough work that will keep everybody busy."

    In 2004, former Chicago FBI chief Thomas Kneir added a second public corruption squad, citing the growing Hired Truck scandal. The FBI would not release the exact number of agents investigating public corruption, but each of the three squads has eight to 15 agents.

    Grant also cited Hired Truck, saying that despite 32 people already charged and 23 guilty pleas, there's more to come. "We're not finished with it," Grant said.
    When Dems and Reps came together to stop corruption Obama went with the machine.
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    I think it's meaningless because there's no evidence supporting any of the accusations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Yeah, just like the Republican claims "Palin has experience with Russia". Give me a break!

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    Yeah, just like the Republican claims "Palin has experience with Russia". Give me a break!
    Since their on her border I would imagine she does. She also has far more executive experience than the whole Dem ticket. I wish she were running for Pres.Obama never had to make a serious choice in his live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    Since their on her border I would imagine she does. She also has far more executive experience than the whole Dem ticket. I wish she were running for Pres.Obama never had to make a serious choice in his live.
    Two years of executive experience?

    Another hypocritical aspect. Does anyone remember that show, Murphy Brown? They had that episode where the Murphy character had a baby and refused to marry the father. The Republicans went into an uproar because of it, but now, Palin's daughter has a baby but isn't married to the father and they are fine with it! I just think they are seriously stumbling here.

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    So life begins at conception, Attila? Baby hasn't been born yet.

    Anyway, comparing a tv sit-com to a real life situation is pretty strange. What would you have Palin do? Drive her daughter to the abortion clinic? Toss her out of the family? It is very pro-family to do as they have done, which is support their daughter.

    You do realize that her daughter is her own person, free will and all, right? That includes the ability to make decisions her momma doesn't like.

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    If I lived in America, I would have voted for McCain, but Sarah Palin is so terrible, that I would vote for Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Senno View Post
    So life begins at conception, Attila? Baby hasn't been born yet.

    Anyway, comparing a tv sit-com to a real life situation is pretty strange. What would you have Palin do? Drive her daughter to the abortion clinic? Toss her out of the family? It is very pro-family to do as they have done, which is support their daughter.

    You do realize that her daughter is her own person, free will and all, right? That includes the ability to make decisions her momma doesn't like.
    What I'm saying is that in the sitcom, the woman had a baby but didn't want to marry the father. Quayle and most Republicans (in real life, not the sitcom) said this was ridiculous and it became a big topic in elections. However, today they will be okay with Palin's daughter doing this, because if they say it is wrong then they made a bad move, but they made a bad move both ways because both ways mean they seem either hypocritical or against their own VP.

    You do realize that her daughter is her own person, free will and all, right? That includes the ability to make decisions her momma doesn't like.
    I know she has the right to it, and it is her choice, but you cannot deny that whatever controversial thing she does, the media will eat it right up (and they will put Palin's name on it) , not just for her, they'll do it for celebrities and politicians etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    What I'm saying is that in the sitcom, the woman had a baby but didn't want to marry the father. Quayle and most Republicans (in real life, not the sitcom) said this was ridiculous and it became a big topic in elections. However, today they will be okay with Palin's daughter doing this, because if they say it is wrong then they made a bad move, but they made a bad move both ways because both ways mean they seem either hypocritical or against their own VP.
    Yeah. Thanks for re-stating your first post.... /sarcasm

    Recognizing that teen pregnancies afflict more than just those on welfare, and recognizing Palin's response to it that supports her daughter reinforces her own pro-life beliefs is not hypocrisy. You ignore that Bristol Palin is her own person. Not a figment of someone's imagination on TV. The actual response by her family matters very much to that young lady...

    And they do plan to get married, according to the boys mom. They will have a rougher start, but with their families support will succeed, I'd wager.

    Do you feel that Dad's are a necessary part or extraneous to the process of raising children?

    WebMD

    Since 1990, the teen pregnancy rate in the U.S. has dropped by almost a third but between 800,000 and 900,000 American teenagers still get pregnant each year.

    As part of a larger study, Davies and colleagues questioned 455 low-income, black girls aged 14 to 18. Among other things, the girls were asked about their use of contraceptives, their sexual partners, and their attitudes about pregnancy.

    Nearly a quarter expressed a desire to become pregnant. These girls were 3.5 times more likely than those who did not desire pregnancy to have a boyfriend or partner at least five years older than they were. They were also more than twice as likely to have had a casual sexual partner in the recent past and to report inconsistent condom use. The findings are reported in the August issue of the journal Health, Education, and Behavior.
    Nearly a quarter of teen pregnant expressed a desire to become pregnant. Behavior, that at the time seemed to reinforce that desire, and ok it, ie glamorizing having a baby out of wedlock, without a father present was not looked upon favorably. We did not really need that reinforcement when we are trying to reverse the trend.

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    I don't really see the link between an early '90's tv show, and a teen-pregnancy 16 years later, but I will debate it since you think it's of some significance.
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    I am not using this to argue about pregnancy etc. I just used this as an example of some hypocritical Republican views.
    And plus, that boy will get married, but on his own blog he said he didn't want to (and made it very noticeable) but unfortunately, he might get 'forced' to marry her. This means he will have to get a job, might not go to a university (depends) and stay with her to take care of a new child at such a young age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rush Limbaugh View Post
    I think it funny that it is a PA newsletter. South more has like 22. reasons not to vote for McCain. They don't because they know people will know it's bs.
    btw it's only one news letter, and its republican biased.
    Got nothing...

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    16 years out of date......

    And the point of the Murphy Brown protest was that Dad's were necessary.

    Crime stats seem to bear this out:

    Fathers' Absence: "The Garbage Generation" by Daniel Amneus Ph.D

    • 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
    • 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
    • 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.
    • 75% of all adolescent patients in chemical abuse centers come from fatherless homes.
    • 63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes.
    • 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.
    • 70% of juveniles in state-operated institutions come from fatherless homes.
    • 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.
    • California has the nation's highest juvenile incarceration rate and the nation's highest juvenile unemployment rate.
    • Juveniles have become the driving force behind the national increase in violent crime; the epidemic of youth violence and gangs is related to the breakdown of the two-parent family.
    • 71% of teenage pregnancies are to children of single parents. Daughters of single parents are 2.1 times more likely to have children during their teenage years than are daughters from intact families. Daughters of single parents are 53% more likely to marry as teenagers, 164% more likely to have a premarital birth, and 92% more likely to dissolve their own marriages. All these intergenerational consequences of single motherhood increase the likelihood of chronic welfare dependency.
    • In 1983, a study found that 60% of perpetrators of child abuse were women with sole custody. Shared parenting can significantly reduce the stress associated with sole custody, and reduce the isolation of children in abusive situations by allowing both parents' to monitor the children's health and welfare and to protect them.
    • 18 million children live in single-parent homes. Nearly 75% of American children living in single-parent families will experience poverty before they turn 11. Only 20% in two-parent families will experience poverty.
    • The feminization of poverty is linked to the feminization of custody, as well as linked to lower earnings for women. Greater opportunity for education and jobs through shared parenting can help break the cycle.
    And, as I said, they planned to get married before they discovered the pregnancy. There is no "forcing" going on. With such positive family support, you are speculating as to the eventual results. Positive support is important, the father being present is important. Family supporting each other is in no way hypocritical.
    Last edited by Senno; September 05, 2008 at 05:33 PM.

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    First of all, his friend said that and second of all, look at his blog, they showed it on the news. It huge big red letters he said he didn't want to get married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    6. He's black.

    yyyeeeaaahhhh boooyyy. lol jk

    goo McCain!!!! woohhoooo!!! hes a war hero!!!!!

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