Are Americans tax slaves?

[Roman Rapper]

Here are some interesting facts:

1. according to the U.S Constitution it is illegal for the U.S government to levy an income tax on the American people. This is because the Constitution explicitly states that no tax on labor can be applied.

2.Every single cent of the Income tax the Americans pay to the government does not go on improving schools or hospitals or even on the military, it instead goes on paying the interest on the national debt.

3. What debt is this? Well it is a debt the U.S govenrment owes to a group of private international banking families such as the Rothschilds.
In 1913 these families were given supreme control of the money supply in the U.S. They achieved this through illegal means since the constitution only grants the U.S Congress the power to control the money supply, and forbids them from giving it to anyone else.
These robber barons create the money out of thin air and then sell to the U.S government at interest. Of course, the U.S tax payers then have to pay this interest.

4. You might think that if the situation was a bad as that something would have been done about it by now. Well, the truth is that whenever an American president has spoken out against the private bankers (like Kennedy did) they have ended up dead.

[Kleos]

2.Every single cent of the Income tax the Americans pay to the government does not go on improving schools or hospitals or even on the military, it instead goes on paying the interest on the national debt.

Income tax receipts: 1,163.5 billion
Payment on interest: 237 billion

So no, not every single cent. Not by a long shot.

[Thanatos]

Whether or not it is unconstitutional, the entire idea is retarded.

You should tax consumption, not production.

[danzig]

Woo the Rothschild AND Kennedy assassination in one thread...just missing aliens and Bush blowing up the WTC. Now excuse me my I have to go tend the fields or my master will whip me.

[roy34543]

Your afraid rothschilds control the money supply? Do people have some kind of natural urge to think that the jews, freemasons and illuminati own the economy or something?
No you can be pretty clearly sure that americans are not tax slaves, and the income tax is not really much better or much worse then other forms of taxation.

[Thanatos]

Americans in general might not be, but we Californians sure are. We're not called the Nanny State for nothing.

[Shi Huangdi]

Originally the income tax was unconstitutional, but the Sixteenth Amendment changed that. So we need to repeal that amendment. And you're right Medi Rapper--Americans are taxed WAY too much, and the money goes either to stupid socialist programs or other stuff that nobody cares about and would be better dealt with in the private sector.

[Richard]

What percent of income on average do Americans pay in tax (including state and federal, if that's how the system works)?

Originally the income tax was unconstitutional, but the Sixteenth Amendment changed that. So we need to repeal that amendment. And you're right Medi Rapper--Americans are taxed WAY too much, and the money goes either to stupid socialist programs or other stuff that nobody cares about and would be better dealt with in the private sector.

Yeah, like schools, infrastructure and police.

[bushbush]

tax is an unpleasant necessity. Europeans are taxed way more heavily then the Americans.

[Каие]

lol, Socialist France pays less tax then you guys...

[craziii]

lol, Socialist France pays less tax then you guys...

is that true? where do I find some numbers?

[LoZz]

is that true? where do I find some numbers?

france pays around 35% aswell, tbh its a simular number threwout the western world, 30-40%. but being more socialist frances gets more back in terms of benifits, socialized medicene, money for having children, they get "more bang per buck".

[Hunter Makoy]

france pays around 35% aswell, tbh its a simular number threwout the western world, 30-40%. but being more socialist frances gets more back in terms of benifits, socialized medicene, money for having children, they get "more bang per buck".

well LoZz its different when you dont have a military to pay for.

[Roman Rapper]

Why is that everyone is ignoring the key issue? I don't just mean you guys I mean everyone who is ever confronted with this.

Exactly why is it that a proportion of every working American's tax money should go to pay the privte banking families that own and operate the FED? What did these hideously wealthy people do to earn the money?
Why can't the U.S Government simply print it's own money instead of buying the money from the private bankers, who are in any case simply making the money come out of thin air.

[bushbush]

Exactly why is it that a proportion of every working American's tax money should go to pay the privte banking families that own and operate the FED?

wtf are you talking about? do you even know what FED is>?

What did these hideously wealthy people do to earn the money?

you seriously don't know how banks make their money?

Why can't the U.S Government simply print it's own money instead of buying the money from the private bankers, who are in any case simply making the money come out of thin air.

1. if you gonna generate money by printing money only, you get what 's going on in Zimbabwe --- hyper inflation.

2. they dont "buy" money from bankers lol. FEDS LOAN MONEY TO BANKERS at dictated rates thus controlling the monetary polilcy.

3. bankers don't make money out of thin air. They loan money to business who PRODUCE actual goods and services. Banks get interests in return.

[Roman Rapper]

wtf are you talking about? do you even know what FED is>?

Yes it's the federal Reserve. Except it isn't federal and it hasn't got any reserves.

you seriously don't know how banks make their money?

It's a known fact that often banks will lend out 10 times more money than they actually have. This of course means that they are receiving intrest payments that are 90% higher than they should be. That's one way they make money.

1. if you gonna generate money by printing money only, you get what 's going on in Zimbabwe --- hyper inflation.

Not so. Remember that the U.S is a much larger economy than Zimbabwe and this makes it more robust. Also the FED is printing money at a controlled rate.

2. they dont "buy" money from bankers lol. FEDS LOAN MONEY TO BANKERS at dictated rates thus controlling the monetary polilcy.

Let me get this straight:

1.The bankers print money
2. The bankers loan the money to the U.S government
3.The American tax payers then pay the intrest on the debt to the private bankers.

You don't see a problem with this?

3. bankers don't make money out of thin air. They loan money to business who PRODUCE actual goods and services. Banks get interests in return.

I'm not talking about the banks in general I'm talking here about the cartel of gangsters who run the FED.

[bushbush]

Yes it's the federal Reserve. Except it isn't federal and it hasn't got any reserves.

do you know what it does?

It's a known fact that often banks will lend out 10 times more money than they actually have. This of course means that they are receiving intrest payments that are 90% higher than they should be. That's one way they make money.

huh? known fact? They lend what they have. They dont print money out of nowhere to lend out.

as far as interest rate is concerned, that's how they make money, that's how capitalism works. Those who lend money from banks agree to that rate, otherwise, don't borrow.

Not so. Remember that the U.S is a much larger economy than Zimbabwe and this makes it more robust. Also the FED is printing money at a controlled rate.

that's matching the increase in production. if you gonna print money with the purpose to make money, you gonna end up like zimbabwe. It happened to big countries too , like germany after WW1 and China during WW2. A box of match worth 1 dollar now costs 1 billion in a week.

Let me get this straight:

1.The bankers print money

they dont print money lol. Fed does and loan money out to them.

2. The bankers loan the money to the U.S government

not really. US government borrows from private citizens (debt bonds) and foreign buyers (funds or government or citizens).

3.The American tax payers then pay the intrest on the debt to the private bankers.

if what the government borrowed generated higher returns for the citizens than the interest they pay, it's totally worth it. Debt isn't always bad.

You don't see a problem with this?

if managed well, no problem. Borrowing at a healthy rate gives you ability to expand your economy much more greatly then without borrowing. If borrowing at the right amount and invest wisely, you can get much higher return than not borrowing in the long run.

I'm not talking about the banks in general I'm talking here about the cartel of gangsters who run the FED.

well, who else should get a say on the FED? except those who hold the most savings of America? the major banks.

[Lou337]

yes, we are. 35% slavery is still slavery.
not all americans are tax slaves though, only 14th amendment U.S. citizens. State nationals (yes nationals, not state citizens) aren't bound to the income tax system.

[Thanatos]

yes, we are. 35% slavery is still slavery.
not all americans are tax slaves though, only 14th amendment U.S. citizens. State nationals (yes nationals, not state citizens) aren't bound to the income tax system.

What's the difference, could you please explain?

[Lou337]

What's the difference, could you please explain?

State Nationals have access to the organic constitution of 1787. They have access to Common Law. They are sovereigns. They have natural rights. They do not need a driver's license, social security number, marriage license, voter registration card, & do not need to pay property taxes & income tax.

U.S. Citizens only have access to the edited constitution of 1868 & the several reconstruction acts after the civil war. They have access to the UCC. They are subjects. They have civil rights (privileges).

This is the act that created THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA for the District of Columbia, a corporation. The 1787 version reads The Constitution for the united states of America. Capitalization in legal documents establishes a legal fiction, not just an emphasis or reference.

Feb 21, 1871, 41st Congress. Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62.
"An Act to Provide A Government for the District of Columbia."

Everyone born here is born a State National, until you become a U.S. Citizen in this way:

When you're born in the United States your original birth certificate is sent by the hospital to the Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services. It's then sent to the U.S. Dept. of Commerce. This transfers your area of legal responsibility into commerce and equity law. Once registered this way, you become a surety e.g. a guarantor unless your parents demand the hospital for the original, not a copy. Your name on this birth certificate is in all caps, which in a legal document creates a fiction. Notice every legal document or license from the government you have has your name in all caps. In this case, because you are tied to the Dept. of Commerce, you are legally seen as a corporation until you deny it via affidavit.