Two Things...

[Jesus The Inane]

1. Can the judeo-christian god commit suicide? afterall, he is all powerful, no? and what consecuences would this have on existence?

2. Is there any reference what so ever about suicide being wrong in the old and new testaments? I´m reading something right now, and it said there were no references what so ever.

[Thanatos]

1) The Universe, and everything , would just poof.
2) There is nothing wrong with suicide, as long as it is for a good reason. God judges on intent, not on action alone.

[Jesus The Inane]

I think the answer to question number 1 shows something, perhaps, yet another problem in logic for an all powerful god.

As for question number two, I think it shows that priezt and pastors can´t argue that its wrong base on biblical records.

[MaximiIian]

Is the universe maintained by deity, or just created by it and left to its own devices? Assuming an omnipotent form of such.

I guess that's the difference between Abrahamic theology and Deism.

[Legio XII]

No. 1: No, God cannot commit suicide. God is not "alive" as we would define it. There is not little candle of a life to snuff out. God exists, but is not a living being like us. God is God, a force too complex to be defined in our narrow understanding.

No 2: I really do not know if there is anything specific against suicide in the Bible, but I would guess it is frowned upon via the following logic: the 6th Commandment states: you shall not murder. Now, let us look at the teachings of Jesus, who said, "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40)" . Now, taken together, if you love your neighbor, you will not murder them. And, loving yourself as you do your neighbor, you would not murder yourself. Now, do I know what God actually thinks or what punishment, if any, there is? No, I do not. Personally though, I look down upon suicide as an option only exercised by cowards and the weak.

[Medicus]

Personally though, I look down upon suicide as an option only exercised by cowards and the weak.

Not in every case. *Cough* Depression *Cough*

Could God commit suicide? That's an interesting question - well, unless you're, like me, an atheist, in which case there are no metaphysical wrists for a divine being to slit.

[Orko]

If god can commit suicide... hmmmmmmmmm... this is a question I am sure theologians never asked.
I think no. he will exist forever.

[Łukomski]

If God cannot bring his own existance to an end then he is not "all powerful" surely?

By what reason do you think that God if exists would be a living object? He would have to get life first, to take that life from himself.

[ironcurtin117]

1. Can the judeo-christian god commit suicide? afterall, he is all powerful, no? and what consecuences would this have on existence?

2. Is there any reference what so ever about suicide being wrong in the old and new testaments? I´m reading something right now, and it said there were no references what so ever.

1.) From what I've learned/ read "God/YWH" is not "alive" and therefore cannot die, from his own hand or by any other force if the theory behind him/her/it is taken literally

2.) I believe the anti-suicide thing can in the New testament and is more along the lines of "Your life belongs to God and you cannot do anything that will interfere with HIS/HER/ITS plan in anyway" (or else ye be smote or some other nonsense)

[lovedbygod]

1. Can the judeo-christian god commit suicide? afterall, he is all powerful, no? and what consecuences would this have on existence?

You answer your own question. An ALL POWERFUL god could commit suicide but not die. Gargle that a bit.

2. Is there any reference what so ever about suicide being wrong in the old and new testaments? I´m reading something right now, and it said there were no references what so ever.

There are various references stating the sanctity of life which can be used as a solid argument for the sinfulness of suicide. Much of Christian dogma comes from sources other than the Bible, keep in mind. The bible is only alpha and omega to some newer sects.

[Jesus The Inane]

So god is force to exist.... no wonder he grew bored and made this awful world.

[Rich86]

If God cannot bring his own existance to an end then he is not "all powerful" surely?

[Cúchulainn]

1. Can the judeo-christian god commit suicide? afterall, he is all powerful, no?

That's the Omnipotence Paradox

It basically boils down to.

If god could do something and that action can lead to god's demise, then he is not omnipotent.

If he could not do said action then he is not omnipotent.

I reckon you knew that, well you do know.

But I've always liked a definition rather that a mismatch of words.

[Łukomski]

That's the Omnipotence Paradox

It basically boils down to.

If god could do something and that action can lead to god's demise, then he is not omnipotent.

If he could not do said action then he is not omnipotent.

I reckon you knew that, well you do know.

But I've always liked a definition rather that a mismatch of words.

Actually I would said it in a diffrent way.
In my POV, there isn't such thing like allmighty power.
I would consider god as a builder. And lets say that we have such builder and that he has a pile of bricks to build his house (the world), then from the bricks he can only build a brick house not a wooden house, and vice-versa with pile of wood - logical. And actually god wasn't never a miracle-monger, even in the bible Jesus NEEDED water to make wine from it, or how satan tempted Jesus to MAKE bread from stone, he couldn't do that simply from nothing. IMO god is in some sense allmighty but in the same time he is limited to materials that he used. Also by that meaning the sorrounding world would have to be god, theoretically because before him there wasn't anything else. So that's why he can't create a stone that he couldn't lift up, because he would had to lift up himself. For example everyone can try to lift up themselves but everybody know that it's impossible.

[Rich86]

By what reason do you think that God if exists would be a living object? He would have to get life first, to take that life from himself.

Ok then he's not alive - but he must exist. Can he end his own existance?

[Łukomski]

Ok then he's not alive - but he must exist. Can he end his own existance?

He don't really have to. Can you say a building or a rock to suicide itself? Also there is a saying that in nature nothing dies. Whatever will die, then it will become a part of something else.

[Cúchulainn]

IMO god is in some sense allmighty but in the same time he is limited to materials that he used.

Then he is not almighty.

His power is limited.

Then why do you need him.

If his power is limited to naturalistic means.

Occam's Razor.

Also by that meaning the sorrounding world would have to be god, theoretically because before him there wasn't anything else.

How can you be sure.

Thermodynamics states that energy can't be created or destroyed.

And if god is limited to naturalistic means, then how did he create it.

So that's why he can't create a stone that he couldn't lift up, because he would had to lift up himself.

You seem to not of understood the premise.

Redefining it, doesn't solve it.

[Łukomski]

Then he is not almighty.

His power is limited.

By my meaning he is almighty in absolute competence in this world possible.

Then why do you need him.

I didn't say I need him, I don't even believe in him much. It was only my personal theory trying to solve the problem.

If his power is limited to naturalistic means.

Yes. But it doesn't mean he can't wider his power.

Occam's Razor.

If I had to go by Occam's Razor definition, then I would say that god doesn't exist, or that he existed only in the beggining of the world, or that he is only a unknown initiation anomaly which introduced matter and energy to the world.

How can you be sure.

I never can be sure, It was only my personal deduction.

Thermodynamics states that energy can't be created or destroyed.

As we all now, most religions think that God exists from the beggining of all time.

And if god is limited to naturalistic means, then how did he create it.

IMO if god exists then he would must be that energy and the matter.

You seem to not of understood the premise.

I understand but it is simply stupid. It is a problem like: How to get out myself from the swamp, pulling myself by my own hair. On the beggining of my theory I said that I don't believe in gods allmighty power or atleast in other definition which I told you.

Redefining it, doesn't solve it.

Than it has no answer in that case. I said you even why. I just wanted to solve this problem with not using the Omnipotence Paradox, and there isn't any other way of it than changing definition of allmighty. Because allmighty is a relative definition. Because he can be allmighty, but allmighty to what? To himself? To us? In my definition which I used, I simply found allmighty as a notlimited power to the all last limits attached to the existing presence (matter, energy...).

Yeah... well... you know what I think? I think there was a god... and the poor fellow, seeing how his very own existence was inane, decided to commit suicide. I mean, why can´t he? He is autonomous, he can do whatever he wants. Thats why he use to walk the earth back in the days, and then suddenly ¨puff¨. He was no more. No more walking god on earth.

god is death!

Nietzsche would be happy about that
Though he still believed that the god still existed, though he was simply dead
"Gott ist tot" as he said

[Jesus The Inane]

Then we wouldn't be here right now.

Why? Afterall, after he invented everything, we don´t need him anymore to exist.

Though he still believed that the god still existed, though he was simply dead

You mean, his corpse?

[Cúchulainn]

I didn't say I need him, I don't even believe in him much. It was only my personal theory trying to solve the problem.

This is why I hate the english language.

I wasn't referring to you and I was using the plural.

Yes. But it doesn't mean he can't wider his power.

Yes it does.

It limited, ergo it has a limit....

I was following a trail of though which began with your contradiction that god is almighty but Limited.

I was explaining how that is contradictory.

How can he be almighty if he is limited and if he can only use naturalistic means.

You just describing the natural world.

IMO if god exists then he would must be that energy and the matter.

But to go from that to any form of modern deity is one massive logic leap.

I understand but it is simply stupid. It is a problem like: How to get out myself from the swamp, pulling myself by my own hair.

You strawman doesn't help the situation of you rebuttal.

The Omnipotence paradox isn't about physical things, it is an abstract idea.

The physical parallels are to help explain it.

Than it has no answer in that case. I said you even why. I just wanted to solve this problem with not using the Omnipotence Paradox, and there isn't any other way of it than changing definition of allmighty. Because allmighty is a relative definition.

No it is not.

Almighty is absolute otherwise it is a contradiction.

That's why it is a Paradox.

You can't refute it with out changing it.