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    SAS kills hundreds of terrorists in 'secret war' against al-Qaeda in Iraq
    Hundreds of terrorists have been killed by the SAS waging a "secret war" against al-Qaeda in Iraq, The Sunday Telegraph can disclose.

    More than 3,500 insurgents have been "taken off the streets of Baghdad" by the elite British force in a series of audacious "Black Ops" over the past two years.

    It is understood that while the majority of the terrorists were captured, several hundred, who were mainly members of the organisation known as "al-Qa'eda in Iraq" have been killed by the SAS.

    The SAS is part of a highly secretive unit called "Task Force Black" which also includes Delta Force, the US equivalent of the SAS.

    The prime targets have been those intent on joining the wave of suicide car bombers that claimed around 3,000 lives a month in Baghdad at the height of the terrorist campaign in 2006.

    Using intelligence gleaned from spies and informers, Task Force Black has nearly broken the back of the terrorist network and reduced bombings in Baghdad from about 150 a month to just two.

    But the success of the covert mission came at a price – six members of the SAS were killed and more than 30 were injured. Delta Force has suffered in the region of 20 per cent casualties.

    A senior British officer told The Sunday Telegraph: "We took over 3,500 terrorists off the streets of Baghdad in around 18 months.

    "You could say it was a very successful period. But the butcher's bill was high. The attrition rate is equivalent to that experienced by the SAS during the Malayan insurgency 50 years ago.

    “The relationship between the SAS and Delta Force is very close,” he added. “If anything, the attrition rate in Delta Force is higher. Two years ago the SAS made a donation to Delta Force’s 'widows and orphans’ fund of £10,000.”

    Senior sources denied that the SAS was taking part in “extra-judicial killings” and added that any incident which appeared to be in breach of the British Army’s rules of engagement would be investigated internally by the unit and by the Royal Military Police if any wrongdoing was suspected.

    The source said: “There is no shoot-to-kill policy in Iraq, but there are only a few ways of stopping a suicide bomber. A British lawyer is present during the planning stages of every operation and our troops operate under British rules, not American rules.”

    The SAS began to concentrate almost exclusively on reducing the car bomb threat in Iraq at the same time that the US military launched its so-called “surge”, which saw an additional 30,000 American troops move into the most dangerous areas of Baghdad, in early 2007.

    Gen David Petraeus, the head of the US forces in Iraq, who is due to leave his post shortly, has praised the courage of the SAS.

    He said: “They have helped immensely in Baghdad … they have done a phenomenal job.”

    In one incident, SAS troops rented a pink pick-up truck, removed their body armour to blend in with locals, and drove through the traffic to catch a key target.

    “It was brilliant, actually,” Gen Petraeus said. “They have exceptional initiative, exceptional skill, exceptional courage and, I think, exceptional savvy. I can’t say enough about how impressive they are in thinking on their feet.”
    So the efforts of 'task force black' combined with surge - successful?

    Personally, if this is actually true, sounds to me like TFB did more to get rid of the insurgency in baghdad than 30 thousand extra US troops (reasons being that theyre actually taking away terrorist initiative by hitting them, rather than waiting to be hit.)

    even opponents of the iraq campaign have to admit this is pretty impressive stuff?

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    "task force black" hahahaha

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    So I wonder what the SAS would do if they heard the idiots who try to argue whose better Delta Force or SAS?

    I'm guessing after this operation they'd grab them and let a paralyzed Delta Force guy kick their ass.

    I'm really hoping this operation is over though if it reached the press...

    Lozz: That probably wasn't the real name, it was probably some number that kept changing to prevent the enemy from knowing who is coming after them. Task Force Black just sounds good in the press.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Farnan View Post
    So I wonder what the SAS would do if they heard the idiots who try to argue whose better Delta Force or SAS?

    I'm guessing after this operation they'd grab them and let a paralyzed Delta Force guy kick their ass.

    I'm really hoping this operation is over though if it reached the press...

    Lozz: That probably wasn't the real name, it was probably some number that kept changing to prevent the enemy from knowing who is coming after them. Task Force Black just sounds good in the press.
    well tbh sounds like their job is done.. considering the astounding decrease in car bombings and the general picture of iraq as a whole with regards to Al Qaeda's operations.. (aka..how theyve been smashed)

    do people really want to have an immediate pullout when we're so (relatively) close to finishing the job in Iraq? :/

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    yaaay sas, yaaay delta force

    no matter who we elect nobody is gonna pull out of iraq prematurely

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    The prime targets have been those intent on joining the wave of suicide car bombers that claimed around 3,000 lives a month in Baghdad at the height of the terrorist campaign in 2006.

    (...)

    Senior sources denied that the SAS was taking part in “extra-judicial killings” and added that any incident which appeared to be in breach of the British Army’s rules of engagement would be investigated internally by the unit and by the Royal Military Police if any wrongdoing was suspected.

    The source said: “There is no shoot-to-kill policy in Iraq, but there are only a few ways of stopping a suicide bomber. A British lawyer is present during the planning stages of every operation and our troops operate under British rules, not American rules.”
    killing people "intent" on joining?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    killing people "intent" on joining?

    "We're here to kill you, but it's okay, we brought a lawyer"
    It is "intent on joining the wave of suicide car bombers" which would say that they are about to depart on some suicide bombings, not that they only atm intend to join the organization(al-quaeda). In other words they are already part of the organization(al-quaeda).
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    While the bombings have decreased theres nothing to say they won't rise again if the SAS and Delta Force leave. I'm a bit concerned about this article though, how often does the army go public with black ops?
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    6 killed and 30 wounded against 3500 dead how is that a high butchers bill ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    6 killed and 30 wounded against 3500 dead how is that a high butchers bill ?
    You misread, 3500 off the streets, 'only' several hundred killed. And the butchers bill is high because these are highly trained, elite soldiers against terrorists with no or minimal training in most cases. Still, IMO quite successful. I just hope that their targets were indeed bad guys. But I'm guessing you wouldn't sent SAS and Delta Force out after some dodgy leads, you'd have to have serious evidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maraud View Post
    You misread, 3500 off the streets, 'only' several hundred killed. And the butchers bill is high because these are highly trained, elite soldiers against terrorists with no or minimal training in most cases. Still, IMO quite successful. I just hope that their targets were indeed bad guys. But I'm guessing you wouldn't sent SAS and Delta Force out after some dodgy leads, you'd have to have serious evidence.
    Ok i understand it still doesn't seem that bad, quite a good job hopefully they will kill more of those terrorists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by molonthegreat View Post
    Ok i understand it still doesn't seem that bad, quite a good job hopefully they will kill more of those terrorists.
    yes, kill the guys in the black ninjasuits that say "terrorist" in white capitals on the chest!
    honestly, i don't trust the military to decide who's terrorist, and who's not ...

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    yes, kill the guys in the black ninjasuits that say "terrorist" in white capitals on the chest!
    honestly, i don't trust the military to decide who's terrorist, and who's not ...
    I don't think you appreciate how highly trained these guys are!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    yes, kill the guys in the black ninjasuits that say "terrorist" in white capitals on the chest!
    honestly, i don't trust the military to decide who's terrorist, and who's not ...
    Maybe some innocents have been killed but these are highly trained special forces so i doubt if there have been any innocents that have been kille that it is many and besides there are always civilian casualties in war.
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    not 3500 dead, but taken off the streets - several hundred dead. that's still not a butcher's bill, but a bloodbath. i doubt any of them got a fair trial ....

    Quote Originally Posted by StarDreamer View Post
    It is "intent on joining the wave of suicide car bombers" which would say that they are about to depart on some suicide bombings, not that they only atm intend to join the organization(al-quaeda). In other words they are already part of the organization(al-quaeda).
    intent is hard to prove, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    not 3500 dead, but taken off the streets - several hundred dead. that's still not a butcher's bill, but a bloodbath. i doubt any of them got a fair trial ....
    But none of us can determine that can we, because we're sat at home and they are actually out there. You need to understand that how ever opposed to the Iraq war you are, that the US/UK forces are not the SS. They are not sanctioned to carry out extra-judicial killings, thats not how they operate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    But none of us can determine that can we, because we're sat at home and they are actually out there. You need to understand that how ever opposed to the Iraq war you are, that the US/UK forces are not the SS. They are not sanctioned to carry out extra-judicial killings, thats not how they operate.
    hundreds dead does not mean extra-judicial killings, but the fact that these forces are controlled by the army, and not by some sort of civilian justice, raises serious doubts about controlling mechanisms. I'm not saying they are the SS, but armies have the tendency to 'party wild'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    hundreds dead does not mean extra-judicial killings, but the fact that these forces are controlled by the army, and not by some sort of civilian justice, raises serious doubts about controlling mechanisms. I'm not saying they are the SS, but armies have the tendency to 'party wild'.
    All operations, especially in todays climate, are sanctioned by the government, through the chief of staffs and I should imagine after fairly exhaustive intelligence has been presented. The civilians do control the army, more now than they ever have. The British army can't mount any major ops without Whitehalls saying. It's all about good PR, in these days of sattelite tv beamed straight from the conflict zones.

    Obviously on the ground, it has to be a purely military operation because they're the specialists. The report even states they have a lawyer embedded with them, we never had such a thing in Ulster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    All operations, especially in todays climate, are sanctioned by the government, through the chief of staffs and I should imagine after fairly exhaustive intelligence has been presented. The civilians do control the army, more now than they ever have. The British army can't mount any major ops without Whitehalls saying. It's all about good PR, in these days of sattelite tv beamed straight from the conflict zones.
    exactly. in a modern state such as the UK justice is served by the justice system, NOT by the executive power through the chief of staffs. and indeed, you imagine after fairly exhaustive intelligence has been presented, but do you know? that's exactly what we have separation of powers for, so we don't have to 'imagine' what's going on. where's the checks and balances? and after vietnam, the army learnt its lesson about PR, we get spoonfed the news the army wants us to see & hear.

    Obviously on the ground, it has to be a purely military operation because they're the specialists. The report even states they have a lawyer embedded with them, we never had such a thing in Ulster.
    an army lawyer is like an army judge or an army nurse; it's not a check at all, it's all army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delvecchio1975 View Post
    not 3500 dead, but taken off the streets - several hundred dead. that's still not a butcher's bill, but a bloodbath. i doubt any of them got a fair trial ....
    yes, we should give enemy combatants a trial before we execute them..

    every war from here on shall be accompanied by armies of lawyers!

    Quote Originally Posted by Medi Rapper View Post
    How do they know they were members of Al Qaeda? Were they all carrying membership cards in their pockets which the SAS found after serching their corpses? Give me a break.
    Yes, from ur armchair u can straight away tell the world that none of these people were members of terrorist organisations/the insurgency of Iraq. they were all innocent victims of disgusting western death squads that roam the streets of baghdad free to do what they will.

    if ur not seeing where im going with this: U dont have a clue whether they were members of al qaeda or not medi. Ur not involved on any level the operations of the SAS, Delta force, or the armed forces in general. Who are u to tell us all that the SAS didnt have a clue who they were shooting? How are u to know that these 'victims' were not members of Al qaeda ?



    Quote Originally Posted by Medi Rapper View Post
    Sounds like they were to me. They ran what amounts of a death squad on the streets of Baghdad.

    holy , the SAS/Delta force have become imperial storm troopers!?


    u people are arguing as if groups like the sas and delta force just wonder around randomly shooting people... as if they have no intel at all?
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