Comparison of the 1971 war to liberate Bangladesh and the 2008 Ossetian war

**Babur** · September 03, 2008, 11:55 AM

Based on this article from Pravda.ru

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http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...h_Experience-0

I think there are some interesting similarities between the two conflicts but it isn't exactly the same.

**shadepanther** · September 03, 2008, 12:26 PM

I think it is all that needs to be said.

Also it mixes up East and West Pakistan.

**cristophe el perno** · September 03, 2008, 05:20 PM

Maybe it lost a lot in translation, but it seems to me that Pravda had changed little since its days as the propaganda mouthpiece for thr soviet reigime.

**Heathen Hammer** · September 03, 2008, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by cristophe el perno

Maybe it lost a lot in translation, but it seems to me that Pravda had changed little since its days as the propaganda mouthpiece for thr soviet reigime.

LOLZ and western media is always free and independent to express the onlyrightopinionthereisandnothingelse.

**corpse helvetica** · September 03, 2008, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by HailThor

LOLZ and western media is always free and independent to express the onlyrightopinionthereisandnothingelse.

such thing as "western media" does not exist like a block...sigh.

**Heathen Hammer** · September 03, 2008, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by corpse helvetica

such thing as "western media" does not exist like a block...sigh.

You know what I am talking about. Major media sources.

**Senno** · September 03, 2008, 07:32 PM

Yeah, truly Corpse. There are over 9000 independent sources of media in the US. If you think they all have the same opinion on every news story, you are amazingly and sadly mistaken.

**Panzerbear** · September 03, 2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan

Based on this article from Pravda.ru

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I honestly do not understand what is with some of your guy's obsession with Pravda.ru.

**Babur** · September 03, 2008, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by .Czar

I honestly do not understand what is with some of your guy's obsession with Pravda.ru.

Because it illustrates how right wing Russia is (Russia Today is also a good example).I think that perhaps this has been shaped by Russia's experience in Chechnya.

Also there seems to be a lot of nostalgia for the Soviet Union.I guess Russians never really accepted it collapse :hmmm:.

**Panzerbear** · September 03, 2008, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan

Because it illustrates how right wing Russia is (Russia Today is also a good example).

I hope you do realize that Pravda.ru is just a news website, one out of hundreds. and in case you havent figured out it yet, it has no affiliation with old Soviet "Pravda" newpaper.

frankly, it looks quite hysterical that you just chose to pick a random Russian news website and then think in terms of absolutism.

I think that perhaps this has been shaped by Russia's experience in Chechnya.

in Russia there is no such thing as "right wing". there is conservative. and yes, Russian society is conservative in general (just like American one), and war in Chechnya has nothing to do with it.

Also there seems to be a lot of nostalgia for the Soviet Union.

no, not really. except may be among grandmas who still hold Stalin's portraits on communist rallies.

I guess Russians never really accepted it collapse :hmmm:.

?

in case you havent noticed, we have a new generation of Russians that grew up who know absolutely knothing about Soviet Union, besides from history textbooks and they are the same age as majority of this forum's members.

**Babur** · September 03, 2008, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by .Czar

I hope you do realize that Pravda.ru is just a news website, one out of hundreds. and in case you havent figured out it yet, it has no affiliation with old Soviet "Pravda" newpaper.

frankly, it looks quite hysterical that you just chose to pick a random Russian news website and then think in terms of absolutism.

Well produce a Russian news link that criticises Russian aggression.

in Russia there is no such thing as "right wing". there is conservative. and yes, Russian society is conservative in general (just like American one), and war in Chechnya has nothing to do with it.

So the War in Chechnya wasn't a brutal experience?

no, not really. except may be among grandmas who still hold Stalin's portraits on communist rallies.

Well I was thinking more the Brezhnev years

in case you havent noticed, we have a new generation of Russians that grew up who know absolutely knothing about Soviet Union, besides from history textbooks and they are the same age as majority of this forum's members.

Well explain the government's admiration for the Soviet Union then?

**Elrond** · September 03, 2008, 08:10 PM

I think a more accurate comparison would be the Russians crushing the Prague Spring in 1968. The Russians didnt liberate South Ossetia and Abkazia they conquered it - theres a big difference.

**Panzerbear** · September 03, 2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by Chaghatai Khan

Well produce a Russian news link that criticises Russian aggression.

nobody, except for Americans and Georgians use such language anyway.
choice of words such as "Russian agression" is both politically charged and fundamentally wrong

.

I can provide you with links to sources that discuss pros and cons of Russian intervention.

http://echo.msk.ru/
http://www.ng.ru/
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/
http://grani.ru/

and so on and so forth.

So the War in Chechnya wasn't a brutal experience?

it was a brutal experience (just like any other war), except that I do not understand where you are going with this. you said that Russian society is conservative because of... Chechen war. to which I reasonably replied that yes the Russian society is conservative, but it has nothing to do with Chechnya.

Well I was thinking more the Brezhnev years.

what was so cool about Brezhnev years that require glorification? in fact, Brezhnev period is widely recognised as "zatoy", or "stagnation".

Well explain the government's admiration for the Soviet Union then?

are you

ing kidding me?

Soviet Union is a name of the country we all were born in, grew up in and lived in for many years. I dont understand, why should we not be proud of our country? especially since we clearly have a lot of things to be proud of.

do Americans hate their country just because a few decades ago it was openly racist and, for example, supporter appartheid? its the same kind of thing. even though some of the things were obviously

ed up, the rest of it was great. no country is without problems and USSR was certainly not an exception.

Originally Posted by L'Afrique

Probably they just never got new berets.

it is immaterial.

**corpse helvetica** · September 03, 2008, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by .Czar

I hope you do realize that Pravda.ru is just a news website, one out of hundreds. and in case you havent figured out it yet, it has no affiliation with old Soviet "Pravda" newpaper.

frankly, it looks quite hysterical that you just chose to pick a random Russian news website and then think in terms of absolutism.

in Russia there is no such thing as "right wing". there is conservative. and yes, Russian society is conservative in general (just like American one), and war in Chechnya has nothing to do with it.

no, not really. except may be among grandmas who still hold Stalin's portraits on communist rallies.

?

in case you havent noticed, we have a new generation of Russians that grew up who know absolutely knothing about Soviet Union, besides from history textbooks and they are the same age as majority of this forum's members.

Therefore young new generation heroisizes SU, for them it is portreyed as "glory days of russian might".

do not forget that putin himself moaned that collapsing of SU was the biggest catastrophe of 20 century.

**Babur** · September 03, 2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by corpse helvetica

Therefore young new generation heroisizes SU, for them it is portreyed as "glory days of russian might".

do not forget that putin himself moaned that collapsing of SU was the biggest catastrophe of 20 century.

Yeah and look at the Soviet style badges combined with the present Russian flag on these paratroopers:

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