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    Greek pagans perform religious rites at Parthenon

    Defying police presence and a thunderous downpour, dozens of Greek pagans huddled near the Parthenon in Athens on Sunday, holding a protest prayer for a museum being built at the foot of the sacred site.

    The ceremony, attended by scores of curious onlookers, was performed amid the ruins of the 2,500-year-old Parthenon. The ancient Greek religion was outlawed by the Roman empire in the fourth century.

    Dressed in crisp white apparel, the pagans gathered before the east wing of the temple's imposing Corinthian columns and prayed to Athena, the ancient Greek goddess of wisdom and patron of Athens, asking her to protect the Parthenon from further destruction.

    "Oh, goddess," roared high priestess Doretta Peppa, her hands extending over an offering of water and olive oil. "We are ready to defend your grounds.

    "[But] we ask of you to protect this site, this city and its civilization, and to rid it of all evils such as the deconstruction of the Acropolis."

    The Greek Culture Ministry forbids ceremonies of any sort at archeological sites. But in January, the pagan revivalists used a second century temple of Zeus in Athens to stage the first known ceremony of its kind in 1,600 years.

    Four other ceremonies have been held in unfenced sites. On Sunday, the tiny band of pagans managed to enter the Acropolis' heavily guarded grounds, paying an entrance fee as tourists and later convincing site guards of their innocuous cause.

    The 15-minute midday rite was organized by Ellinais, an Athens-based group that recently won a court battle for state recognition of the ancient religion. The group is now demanding that the government allow it to perform weddings and other rites.

    On Sunday, the group's Parthenon ritual cast a new thunderbolt at its government opponents and the designs to build a controversial museum at the foot of the Acropolis.

    Followers of Ellinais object to the recent removal of marble pediments from the Parthenon and hundreds of masterpieces from a tiny museum on the Acropolis to re-house within the sprawling gallery beneath the ancient citadel.

    "The new museum," Peppa said, "is a monumental eyesore, an architectural monstrosity within the most traditional and archeologically-rich part of Athens. It is an insult to our heritage, and if we start deconstructing our monuments for the sake of filling up a museum, then what will we be left with?"

    Due to open early next year, the $190 million New Acropolis Museum is being constructed after years of delays and fierce criticism over its location, hulking size and incongruous style on the fringe of Athens' old district of Plaka.

    Even before the first brick was laid, the museum had to respond to more than 100 lawsuits, including over whether sculptures could be moved without putting them at risk.

    Still, defenders of the project, designed by flamboyant Swiss-born architect Bernard Tschumi, argue that it is too important to let anything get in the way.

    Government officials expect the new museum to draw triple the number of visitors to the Acropolis to more than 3.5 million.

    More important, Greece hopes the museum will bolster its chances of displaying the Elgin Marbles, a collection of sculptures removed from the Parthenon in the early 19th century and currently housed in the British Museum in London.

    The British Museum has repeatedly refused Greek requests to return the marble masterpieces, but a space will await them in the top floor of the New Acropolis Museum gallery.

    Even so, Ellinais followers fear that draft legislation being prepared for the Museum's administration and operation may challenge Greeks' ownership of their most prized national treasures.

    "If this museum is going to be run by a private entity, then who will own the collections inside it?" asked Peppa, a leading member of Ellinais.

    The government rejects the allegations. "There is no question of ownership rights," a senior Culture Ministry official said on condition of anonymity Sunday.

    "These are rights safeguarded by the Greek constitution. This museum," he said, "will happen because it does make the argument for the [Elgin] marbles' return home."
    Should religious groups have a right to religious rites on government owned historic sites? Even if the sites are related closely to the religion? What about a group of followers repopularizing an old and nearly extinguished practice?

    This is important, not just in Athens, but over much of the planet. Indiginous peoples everywhere have holy sites that are now national parks, parking lots, and even museums.

    My recent visit to the Black Hills in South Dakota seems quite related to this. The local indian tribes had a treaty for the land that is now Mount Rushmore. Custer promoted the discovery of gold and the treaty was in tatters with the gold rush.

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    Bunch of religious nutters. Introduce their craniums to nightsticks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Bunch of religious nutters. Introduce their craniums to nightsticks.

    Does this also apply to the 'church on sunday' crowd? Or are just pagans nutters.

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    good for them I say -- go mad in your religions for we all go INTO THE DARKNESS BROTHERS !!!!! wooooooo

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    Should religious groups have a right to religious rites on government owned historic sites? Even if the sites are related closely to the religion? What about a group of followers repopularizing an old and nearly extinguished practice?
    Nope, not unless they own the site. What people seem to not understand is: What isn't yours, isn't yours....
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    Default Re: Greek pagans perform religious rites at Parthenon

    Greek pagans? Today? Well, chances are someone believes in something, no matter how ridiculous it is, so...

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    If they pay the government for its use, of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Greek pagans? Today? Well, chances are someone believes in something, no matter how ridiculous it is, so...
    Well, in Greece we have one man who speaks in a channel. Last year he talked about the "El", deriving from the word Ellines, that means Greeks in greek. Those "el" would come out of the earth's deep core and defeat the "powers of evil".
    Everytime I see the man who speaks about those my stomach aches from laughter .
    Κύριος εμοί βοηθός, και ου φοβηθήσομαι, τι ποιήσει μοι άνθρωπος; (Εβρ.ιγ', 6, Ψαλμ. ΡΙΖ')

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatos View Post
    Greek pagans? Today? Well, chances are someone believes in something, no matter how ridiculous it is, so...
    It's not really any more ridiculous than Christianity or Islam. Just because they're more formalised doesn't mean they aren't equally ridiculous/un-ridiculous (yes I know that isn't a word).

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    Greek pagans? Today? Well, chances are someone believes in something, no matter how ridiculous it is, so...
    No religion is more logical than any other, really. They all more-or-less tell you to believe something despite having no proof behind it.

    If they pay the government for its use, of course.
    You don't pay for the use of a national monument, do you?
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    Well i don't think there going to want others to be disturbing their event so it will also provide money to the government to close it down whilst it is going on.
    according to exarch I am like
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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Did you know being born into wealth or marrying into wealth really shows you never did anything to earn it?
    btw having a sig telling people not to report you is hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidmen View Post

    You don't pay for the use of a national monument, do you?
    In some cases, yes. More and more national monuments and parks have entrance fees to help defray costs.

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    I agree with Sidmen. If they do not own it, they need to ask permission. I'm sure if they presented the case well they would be allowed to do it, so long as they aren't sacrificing anything.

    I myself am more interested in pagan religions than the big three Abrahamic ones. So I say good for them.
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    Destroy the Greek Pagans. Bring glory to the name of CAPITALISM (TM).

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    Something tells me this will not go well with the Orthodox Greeks, violent clashes on the streets of Athens were seen for a lot less


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    The thing is, nobody these days actually knows what went on in the rituals or mysteries of ancient Greek religion, so any modern-day revamping of such a religion is just make-believe pretending, really.

    Exactly the same as modern 'Druids'. They have no idea what the Druids actually practised, apart from a few snippets of information. They just make it up, for the most part.

    So the religion has little credibility for starters. All else goes from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    The thing is, nobody these days actually knows what went on in the rituals or mysteries of ancient Greek religion, so any modern-day revamping of such a religion is just make-believe pretending, really.

    Exactly the same as modern 'Druids'. They have no idea what the Druids actually practised, apart from a few snippets of information. They just make it up, for the most part.

    So the religion has little credibility for starters. All else goes from there.
    Going to say what's already certainly going to be said, but having traditions practiced in continuation do not make them true simply by their continued practice.

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    If these people aren't burning hundreds of livestock on a regular basis, they aren't greek pagans in my book. The importance of burnt offerings to the greek gods cannot be overstated.

    Unless they are true practicing pagans, don't allow them on the site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FailedCrusade View Post
    If these people aren't burning hundreds of livestock on a regular basis, they aren't greek pagans in my book. The importance of burnt offerings to the greek gods cannot be overstated.

    Unless they are true practicing pagans, don't allow them on the site.
    The Old Testament Jews were sacrificing animals constantly -- but times change. Maybe these are Reformed Pagans.

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    Are they hurting anybody? Really? Then I don't care , besides I find the greek gods much cooler then then all the other ones , the prospect of gods fighting is just awesome....

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