‘we may take all the morality we need by being effective in the world’

[Amorphos]

‘we may take all the morality we need by being effective in the world’

is this true, do we need anything other than this e.g. religion [including buddhism].

[Tankbuster]

Doubt it.
This, as far as I understand, advocates the 'usefullness-society': everything is judged by its usefullness. Things that make us inefficient (culture for example) are regarded as a waste of time.

We still need something like human warmth and culture.

[DMThaane]

The only reason we value morals and values is because we posses morals and values if we didn’t have them we’d feel no need to.
Of course that leads to debates about what it is to be human. If we discard our morality and codes in exchange for a sole focus on productivity we would no longer be human. And lets be honest, isn't it far more fun to able to annoy someone or morally satisfying to slow down so the old lady can cross the road.

Also how can we understand how to be effective without acting ineffectively. You can't have an effective knowledge of something without seeing both sides to it. So to be effective you have to have not been effective and the dilemma has since wasted time you should have spent being effective.

I’m probably over complicating it but in short no. Usefulness is overrated and let’s face it, only robots and hive mind can achieve it neither of which is truly moral.

[Amorphos]

tank, hi

This, as far as I understand, advocates the ‘usefullness-society’: everything is judged by its usefullness. Things that make us inefficient (culture for example) are regarded as a waste of time.
We still need something like human warmth and culture.

to be effective would include producing an ever increasing dynamic, so difference and culture are useful parts of that. thus the rule isn’t as 'nazi' as it would appear, i would think that being effective would be working together and embracing difference and commonality. any system that doesnt embrace all of humanity will prove to be inefectual.


DMThaane, hi

hmm i can’t find anything i dissagree with there. can we say then that as well as embracing difference, to be the most effective we would need to be ineffective in some ways.

again, perhaps the ethic isn’t as simple and single minded as we thought. it has to even include its own opposite in order to be true.

[Yaga Shu Ra]

‘we may take all the morality we need by being effective in the world’

is this true, do we need anything other than this e.g. religion [including buddhism].

If you follow the dogmas of a religion, the morals one should uphold are dictated trough them by the higher power you worship. And it's this rigid set of morals that are to be followed to be effective in the world.

In this case, the ethic is single minded indeed.