Mahabharata TW

[Jounk33]

The Mahabharat, the greatest and longest epic ever, handels about a conflict between two warring familys, in ancient (mythological india), that transforms in a major global war.
Like the Illias for europian people, the mahabharata is still the classic lectur of indian or hindu people.
Great epic tales about friendship, war, hate and love, supernatural creatures, gods and the quest to findig yourself, all can be found in this epic.

There is many material to make a uncommon TW Mod from these epic. Detailed descriptions about the kingdoms and races, like wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahābhārata

Is there any interest ?

A big campaignmap I've even done, and the map works:


In a other mod, I've greated some ironage indian (vedic) units.
Here are some examples:
http://www.nexusboard.net/showthread...6&threadid=866

[wlesmana]

There's a bit of a problem there: they didn't fight the wars like the ones done in Roman times or even medieval European times. There's only one big war happened there, which is the Kurukshetra War, which only lasted 18 days and happened at the field of Kurukshetra. They didn't fight for territory or such, but fought to the death to see who has the legitimate claim on the throne.

If the mod you proposed is a Historical Battle scenario, then it could work. But not as a full-blown campaign. If you used Alexander as base, then you could have custom heroes (which will be valuable) and a series of battles you must win to unlock the next one, which you could technically do 18 of them to present each passing day of battles.

[Jounk33]

Yes you are right. But the mod concept is a mix between historical facts of the indian iron age and the mythos of the mahabharata. Such as Troy TW
The timespan is between 800 - 550 BC.

[Jubal_Barca]

If you've got a working map that's good for a start. I can help advise you and get you started I'm sure, but I don't want to commit myself as I have a massive four other mod projects I'm committed to and far too little time.

Have you seen the mod blue lotus? They had some good Indian stuff you could look at, and you could ask them if you could borrow some unit models to get you started.

[Jounk33]

I can help advise you and get you started I'm sure,

Thats nice to know. In witch matter you can advise ?
All modding knowlege I know, but I need much help in studies in historical facts about the iron age india and the mahabharat.

Have you seen the mod blue lotus? They had some good Indian stuff you could look at, and you could ask them if you could borrow some unit models to get you started.

I know the mod very good, and I like the varuna apeman, the models fit for my mod.

[svramj]

nice Idea...but the name Mahabarata suggests one epic battle fought between 2 factions...not series of wars.....yeah I see...if u could do this with alex you could have heros like Arjuna, Bheema and such...me to already commited to 2 big mods....1s RTR 7 and the other one is again India based Asia ton Barbaron mod for Europa Barbarorum....

[Jounk33]

Should I rename the mod ?
I call it Mahabharata because the warfare is the same like discripted in the Epos (huge chariots "Ratha", Elefants "Gaja", light cav "Turgana" and footman "Pada") and I want to make many units based on tales in the Mahabharata, mystic tribes like the Varuna, the Naga the Gandhavas.
Formaly it should be a campaign about 800-550BC, with many cultural and religious aspects, giving the game some roleplaying elements, like religious disire, weaponhandling or karma eduction.
Cutom heros are not planed.

So, the title of the mod I can easy rename, for example "The Vedic Age TW"

[Armatus]

Keep it in mythology, is there a better name? I thought Mahabarata a book that I own sitting somewhere around the house was an epic that included many battles.

[Keravnos]

How will you handle Yavanas and Kambojas and also others like Paramas etc?

[Jounk33]

Armatus, right, and because of it I wonder no other modder try to create a mod with this theme.

svramj,
in middle Vedic age Maurya was a mighty kingdom, but just a kingdom, no empire.
There was some mighty vedic kindoms too, like
- Gandhara
- Madra
- Avanti
- Matsya
- Kuru
- Chedi
- Vasta
- Kasi
- Magadha (Maurya)
- Kosala
- Anga
- Asmaka

and many more lesser kingdoms citystates like Dwaraka

and drwidian Tribes
- Drawida
- Chola
- Pandya

Other non vedic Tribes
- Kamboja (persian-bakrtian men)
- Rishika (unknown)
- Lauhithia (Thai)
- Psiacha (Norddrawidian men in Himalayarange)

Mystik Tribes
- Varuna (Apemen)
- Naga (Serpentmen)
- Nri Chashkra (Demons, Meneater)
- Kimpurushka (Liondweller)

I have a hardcoded factionlimit of 18.
It will be last some time in studies to dedect the 18 useablest factions.

EDIT:
Keravnos,
Yavannas will become a minor rebel faction, and Kamboja sure a major faction.

[Keravnos]

Thanks. Excellent faction list. I hope something comes out of this. However, if you stick to the text it should be a archers VS archers and chariots VS chariots war.

Please allow for at least horsemen in the mod.

[Jounk33]

I know, I saw the indian Movie "Mahabharat" (in hindi, I understand nothing) and the heros shooting all the time with arrows, one after upon, standing in there huge chariots.
The Archery will become apart from infantry the mainweapon.

Of course, cavalry was a weapon too in iron age india. Called Turgana and Elefanttroops (Gaja).

Once I read a good manuscript about ancient indian warfare post Mauryan empire.
There was 60% Pada (Infantry, Maintroops for Closecombat), 15% Turgana for scouting and pursache, 15% Ratha (Chariots of the eldar Kashatriya for Farcombat and commanding) and 10% Gajatrain (for weapon and ammodepot)

Elefants rarely fought in battle and radjas never commanding from the top of an elefant, alsways in their Ratha.

[svramj]

Armatus, right, and because of it I wonder no other modder try to create a mod with this theme.

svramj,
in middle Vedic age Maurya was a mighty kingdom, but just a kingdom, no empire.
There was some mighty vedic kindoms too, like
- Gandhara
- Madra
- Avanti
- Matsya
- Kuru
- Chedi
- Vasta
- Kasi
- Magadha (Maurya)
- Kosala
- Anga
- Asmaka

and many more lesser kingdoms citystates like Dwaraka

and drwidian Tribes
- Drawida
- Chola
- Pandya

Other non vedic Tribes
- Kamboja (persian-bakrtian men)
- Rishika (unknown)
- Lauhithia (Thai)
- Psiacha (Norddrawidian men in Himalayarange)

Mystik Tribes
- Varuna (Apemen)
- Naga (Serpentmen)
- Nri Chashkra (Demons, Meneater)
- Kimpurushka (Liondweller)

I have a hardcoded factionlimit of 18.
It will be last some time in studies to dedect the 18 useablest factions.

EDIT:
Keravnos,
Yavannas will become a minor rebel faction, and Kamboja sure a major faction.

Yeah I know, our mod time line is 260BC. clearly not the vedic age. You could probably go for the name, Vadic age total war, than Mahabaratha total war. Mahabaratha is just one big war.

[Armatus]

Was this the time of just warfare? That was a Vedic concept correct? That warfare had certain rules?

[Legio]

Really good idea! If I have some time I will give you a call

[Jounk33]

Was this the time of just warfare? That was a Vedic concept correct? That warfare had certain rules?

Yes, espacialy it was stricktly forbidden to fight past sunset or post sunrise.
Warroirs must fight face to face, never kill an enemy from behind, never fight with forbidden weapons like poisondaggers ect.
But I dont know if that is a mythos or was real practice.

Legio Caesar,
Cool, thanks. I like your Assyria TW. Onse it was a former idea of me to create a greater bronceage mod, but it was only an idea. two models, an assyrian archer and light infantryman is all i've made for it.

[Legio]

Thanks in turn!
So you will have night battles disabled?
And no routing or just do not chase fleeing enemies?:hmmm:

[Armatus]

You should be able to do anything and aquire dirty vices for doing it afterall they had those rules for a reason. treat the myth like a reality and the mod will be spectacular.

[Babur]

excellent mod idea +rep

[Iberus_generalis]

Yes you are right. But the mod concept is a mix between historical facts of the indian iron age and the mythos of the mahabharata. Such as Troy TW
The timespan is between 800 - 550 BC.

with some of the latest finding of cities in the hindu valley, and across the world, irradiated by radiation much alike to atomic explosions, and considering the myths descripted in the earlier parts of the mahabarata, one person with a good brain, capable of understanding relations, cant end up but wonder wether the myths of the mahabarata are just that, or are they echoes of something that really happened?
the mahabarata describes events, that if taken out of context, and impartially, in the light of what thy describe, we might even consider those descriptions as testimonies of nuclear explosions and its effects.

now enough with the philosofical deviations....
i like the idea of this mod=)
TW comunity needs more Hindu Love=) i for one loved the Maurian units in Res Gestae 2, and sure would love to see more of it=) and a campaign mod about india, would be great.