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    ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Republican National Convention protesters targeted in a series of police raids Friday night and Saturday say they won't back down from their plans to march on the event's opening day.
    On Friday night, Ramsey County sheriff's deputies raided an organizing site of a group - the RNC Welcoming Committee - that has publicized plans to disrupt convention activities. No one was arrested.
    "They will not crush our spirit," said protester Lisa Fithian from Austin, Texas, at a gathering of about 300 people in a Minneapolis park Saturday afternoon. "Our organization will continue. We will be on the streets."
    The raids drew criticism from other than the targets.
    Dave Thune, a St. Paul city councilman whose district includes the theater building used as a hub for the protesters, denounced the raid, saying people had a legal right to assemble there.
    "We spent so much time trying to welcome people to the city and now this is the way we start out," he said. "It pretty much sucks."

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    Earlier Tuesday, a group of about 50 anti-abortion activists unfurled a huge sign on a mesa west of Denver equating the Democratic National Convention with abortion, but later hiked back up to remove it at the request of authorities. County officials haven't decided whether to issue any citations. The sign was displayed for about three hours and group president Steve Curtis said the letters were visible from west Denver about 10 miles away.
    Terry's supporters said those arrested downtown included the Rev. Lee Hartley, a Baptist pastor, and two Catholic priests, the Rev. Norman Weslin, 78, and the Rev. Joe Klee of Portsmouth, Ohio. They identified some of the others as Clair Conley of Denver; Mary Colsch, 75, of Caledonia, Minn.; Ron Hartman, 65; Joseph Landry, 27, of Washington, D.C.; David Mitchell, 65, of New Albany, Iowa; Kim Samecki, 29, of Colorado Springs and Brian Sherwood, 35, of Kansas.
    Before the convention, Terry met with Denver police and then publicly announced he planned to be arrested.
    When Terry and about three dozen protesters arrived at a designated corner Tuesday, a dozen police were waiting on the opposite corner. Prostesters began to recite the rosary.
    Terry then announced the plan. He told the group they were going to walk down the block to the DNC gate, sit down in the street and pray. He said the police would warn protesters three times that they would be arrested. Anyone who wanted to leave should do so after the third warning, he said.
    He told the few children in the group to remain standing to the side, holding signs.
    "You'll be part of a legal protest that may someday be covered in the history books," he said.
    When the protesters first gathered at the gate, people with convention passes were able squeeze behind them to get through. When protesters sat down in the street, Terry asked an aide for the "red phone," a cell phone he used to call police. He could be heard saying "Lieutenant, we're here at the gate."
    Then some of the protesters moved closer to the gate, blocking it. Secret Service officers shut it and directed convention-goers to another gate. Protesters sang a Catholic hymn, "Salve Regina." They said one Hail Mary for the police officers before a lieutenant approached them. Reading from a card, he cited the city ordinance they were violating and warned them they would have to leave or be arrested.
    After he read the warning for a second time, things went slightly off script. Some bystanders began to call on police to arrest the protesters immediately. One man shouted that protesters were terrorists. A protester shouted back, "What do you call abortion?" An officer told the crowd the protesters would be gone in a few minutes.
    The lieutenant read the third warning, and Terry reminded anyone who wanted to leave to do so.
    As officers lined up to remove the protesters, they began to chant: "Deny Biden communion." Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, Obama's vice presidential choice, is Catholic.
    So what do you think about these raids on RNC protesters. Two people were charged with consipiracy to commit riot. Every prosecuter knows that if you cant get them on a crime then consipiracy is the easiest charge to make stick.

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    The crack downs first at DNC and now at RNC on protesters is more then a bit annoying. I can understand cities not wanting a repeat of last convention (here in NYC protesters shoved republican delegates to the ground, locked a woman in revolving door and spit on people leaving restaurants...but these crack downs on protesters before events are troubling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    The crack downs first at DNC and now at RNC on protesters is more then a bit annoying. I can understand cities not wanting a repeat of last convention (here in NYC protesters shoved republican delegates to the ground, locked a woman in revolving door and spit on people leaving restaurants...but these crack downs on protesters before events are troubling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ЯoMe kb8 View Post
    Scared of a Police state? You should be...
    Lets not get melodramatic Especially with Denver protests the people running that publicly said they wanted to provoke a 60s style disruptive protest but yes I do have issues with police acting upon it to try and break it up before it happens. It isnt however a "police state".

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    Quote Originally Posted by danzig View Post
    Lets not get melodramatic Especially with Denver protests the people running that publicly said they wanted to provoke a 60s style disruptive protest but yes I do have issues with police acting upon it to try and break it up before it happens. It isnt however a "police state".
    I'm just kidding, I don't see a problem. Considering past disturbances.

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    They sholved republic protestors or republicans?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MathiasOfAthens View Post
    They sholved republic protestors or republicans?
    Oh sorry wasnt clear, it was basically left wing whackos protesting the convention here in NYC last time around and they attacked some delegates who were having dinner, seeing shows on broadway.

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    Was it anything like the right wing whackos that virtually rioted in Florida on RNC orders to keep the ballots from being recounted so they could steal a democratic election?
    I hope that the democrats have learned something in the last 8 years that fighting 'fairly' and with 'honor' only means that your fight will lead to defeat. I had been worried that Obabma and CO. didn't have that fight in them that is one reason I liked Clinton, I knew she had the fight in her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutch81 View Post
    Was it anything like the right wing whackos that virtually rioted in Florida on RNC orders to keep the ballots from being recounted so they could steal a democratic election?
    I hope that the democrats have learned something in the last 8 years that fighting 'fairly' and with 'honor' only means that your fight will lead to defeat. I had been worried that Obabma and CO. didn't have that fight in them that is one reason I liked Clinton, I knew she had the fight in her.
    Again with the comparative, tic for tac argument...I really, really dislike this. Your post doesnt have much to do with the topic at hand which is about rather strong armed tactics by police that (imo) step over the boundary. And please Democrats hardly fight fairly or with honor, no one running for Presidency or for any office does that...its all bs on both sides of the aisle.

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    Just offering my opinion ... sorry you didn't like it ... but to be honest I was not and am not concerned about that fact.
    Well the RNC invented it ... Gore chose not to fight and contest a democratic election (poor decision) ... Kerry chose not to fight back against the swift boat smear campaign ... so in fact my point that Democrats have failed to stand up for themselves is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dutch81 View Post
    Just offering my opinion ... sorry you didn't like it ... but to be honest I was not and am not concerned about that fact.
    Well the RNC invented it ... Gore chose not to fight and contest a democratic election (poor decision) ... Kerry chose not to fight back against the swift boat smear campaign ... so in fact my point that Democrats have failed to stand up for themselves is true.
    Your opinion does not follow the analysis by the newspapers after the fact nor does it correspond to the US Supreme Court ruling.

    I grant you the swift boat smear should have been addressed by the Kerry campaign, but it could have been prevented by not puffing up his service to heroric status.

    Anyways -- this is very off topic for the thread.

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    There was a search warrant issued and the police executed it. I think we can safely assume the truth will come out before the convention as to why the search warrant was issued and if this was justified.

    And these protesters do not have more rights to speech than you or I. The conventions are private and by inventation. This is not the government, but people who wish to participate in the electorial process. They have every right to do so without disruption and without fear of injury.

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    Some people remember the 60s as love-ins and probably something productive... others see the disruptiveness of it all.

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    unles you start throwing grenades, then you have right to assemble in protest...

    I was worried the cops in Minny would get a little antsy, lets hope I'm wrong.
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    You live in Minnesota?
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    This whole thing is stupid. Let them protest. This is America with a C, not a K, as Mark Levin likes to say.
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