Why would Wroclaw revolt to Novgorod?

[delra]

I saw this twice in my campaigns already. It usually happens early. Wroclaw revolts and it revolts to Novgorod for some weird reason.

Originally it was a Bohemian city (even named after their king). But if it should revolt to anyone, it should revolt to Poland since it was Polish for 100 years prior to the game start (and to rebels if it revolts from Poland). In either case, Wroclaw has completely nothing to do with Novgorod and never did.

A bug?

[Rextherock]

Seen this too it is quite funny.

[Musthavename]

Never seen this happen once. Though I haven't seen this turn rebel to anyone.

EDIT: Actually started a campaign yesterday and it happened. Weird.

[gracul]

Its faction creator in descr_strat is set to novgorod.
Thats why if it revolts, it will choose to be a part of novgorod.

[delra]

A vanilla left-over?

[gracul]

Yes, of course. I doubt KK or anyone else from these forums would make such a stupid mistake.

[Wolfcp11]

Same here, half the time I see a random blotch of blue between germany and poland...

[IrbthePictishBerserker]

Actually, it has to do with your descr_regions file, not the strat one. If you open the former, you will notice that each region has a a base faction that represents things like the names and cultures of brigands and whatnot.

Sometimes you will see this bug though, where there is unrest against the
Rebels and the province revolts back to its base faction. Used to happen all the time in RTW, though I haven't seen it as much in M2TW.

[gracul]

Actually, it has to do with your descr_regions file, not the strat one. If you open the former, you will notice that each region has a a base faction that represents things like the names and cultures of brigands and whatnot.

Sometimes you will see this bug though, where there is unrest against the
Rebels and the province revolts back to its base faction. Used to happen all the time in RTW, though I haven't seen it as much in M2TW.

... did you even check if your right?

[dmiden]

... did you even check if your right?

There are such entries. The "base faction" is the faction the settlement will turn to if it decides to turn to another faction than the Rebels.

[edit]
It's happened to me several times with Marseille, first belonging to Genoa, then rebelling to me (France).

[IrbthePictishBerserker]

either that or Novgorod is simply bribing the settlement. The AI isn't perfect, afterall

[eddy_purpus]

mmmm another CA leftovers =/

[Badg3r]

i know, i dose that all the time for me
dunno why

[delra]

Have you ever seen AI successfully bribing a settlement?

[gracul]

no comment, now someone else has no idea of what hes talking about and spreads misinformation.

[IrbthePictishBerserker]

no comment, now someone else has no idea of what hes talking about and spreads misinformation.

Does it really matter who's right, though? Just open both files and change them both - thats how it should have been done in the first place.

[delra]

Mods please close and move this to bugs subforum!

[Gorrrrrn]

Certainly nothing to do with Novgorod bribing the settlement, as it happened to me when I was playing as Novgorod - didn't even know where Wroclaw was - just suddenly noticed there was a strange patch of blue in the middle of Poland.

Couldn't do anything with it either - the garrison was mercenaries which cost too much, couldn't get a general to the place quickly, and it's such a small settlement it takes ages to be big enough to build any buildings. It starts the early era game, at least, coz I just checked, with no buildings at all, a population of 900 and a 1% growth rate. The garrison it starts with is 2 units woodsmen, 2 units peasant archers, 1 unit spear militia - and rebel garrisons can't rebel.

(So if it reverted I suspect it must have been captured - probably by Poland and they didn't leave a big enough garrison in there so it rebelled again?)

And the religion of the area is wrong too for Novgorod - 90% catholic.

Basically it's a liability for Novgorod, so you might just as well disband the garrison and let it revert back to the German rebels, so Poland can capture it.

(OK where's the information about Wroclaw then? I've checked in the descr_regions file and it's not in there. All the other regions seem to be in there.)

Answer: internally the town is known as Breslau and instead of being Silesia, it's the Breslau province.

Here's the entry from the descr_regions.txt file:

Breslau_Province
Breslau
poland
German_Rebels
141 160 233
furs
5
4
religions { catholic 90 orthodox 2 islam 0 pagan 6 heretic 2 }

from which you can see the ownership is actually German rebels - that's who start the game with it.

(How did I find that? I used the windows search function to browse the M2:TW folder for Wroclaw and checked every file until I found it.)

None of which explains why it ends up as part of Novgorod.

that's in the descr_strat file:

settlement
{
level village
region Breslau_Province

year_founded 0
population 900
plan_set default_set
faction_creator russia
}

SO do we prefer faction_creator poland or hre ?

Poland is what it is in the late era campaign and the wikipedia suggests Poland as well:

In 990 king Boleslaw I of Poland conquered Silesia and Wroclaw and established the first bishopric of Silesia in 1000. The city quickly became a commercial center and expanded rapidly to the neighbouring Wyspa Piaskowa (Sand Island), and then to the left bank of the Odra river. Around 1000 the town had approximately 1000 inhabitants[1].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wroc%C5%82aw

(game starts with almost the right number of people too!)

So it should start as part of Poland (not German rebels) ?

[delra]

faction_creator russia

CAs screw up.

We prefer Poland cause it was a Polish city for a hundred years prior to the game start. Earlier it was a Bohemian one but there's no Bohemia in the game so they lose.