Russia annexes South Ossetia

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Moscow has announced that South Ossetia is to join Russia as a unified state.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4635843.ece

Conquest, not peace keeping.

[danzig]

Sigh, well really does this come as any huge surprise to any of us. The goals of Russia were clear and guess the "south ossetia" finished the job of chasing any Georgians out of the south allowing for this final move. Hopefully we'll get some real posts in here before its hijacked. Not even the illusion of a phony vote on the issue.

[Carach]

Sigh, well really does this come as any huge surprise to any of us.

its all in the name of protecting the people !

that and.. theyre punishing america for starting a war between georgia and Russia for domestic politics.

that and the genocide.

that and the georgian breaches of ceasefires

yea.....lol.

[Elrond]

The west has independent media were as Russia has the Daily Stalin and state controlled media pumping out neo soviet bollocks about the motherland being glorious to hide the humiliation of the last 20 years. Who do you think is most likely to be brainwashed?

The fact is that the last European country to invade another country on the grounds that it contained their citizens was Nazi Germany and the parallel goes further - Germany was trying to remove the humiliation of WW1 and the economic mess of the 20s while Russia is trying to remove the humiliation of losing the cold war the economic mess of the 90s.

[tomdidiot]

I have only one word for this: Anschluss

To qualify my statement:
Putin has been acting incredibly aggresively. Using the slightest provocation to pick fights with everyone else, and is pretending to be the good guy, moving in to help "oppressed" Russians fight against the evil Georgians.

He's doing a Hitler. Unfortunately for Vladimir Putin-Hitler, I do not think that there is a CHamberlain in the White House.

[Elrond]

I have only one word for this: Anschluss

I agree, Luckily unlike with Hitler and Germany we are much much more powerful than Putin and Russia.

I really can't believe that Russia has EU aspirations, its bloody ridiculous, half the EU will veto them for the next generation or so if they keep this backward behavoir up.

Oh and of course the people want to join Russia, its generally what happens when you kick out everyone who doesn't.

[corpse helvetica]

Where are those now who cried that Russia bravely fought for SO independence? Or for "peacekeepers"?

Already humanitarian aid from Russian side "goes to the left" ( exsoviets know what it means).

[Elrond]

Which ever moron is Putin's PR chief needs to be sacked, most of Europe and america is either associating his actions with a) the cold war, b) Nazi Germany or c) Both. Russia has the attitude that the strongest can do what they like - theres one problem with that - theres always somebody stronger. All hell will break lose if they try this in the baltic states.

[dre123]

Which ever moron is Putin's PR chief needs to be sacked, most of Europe and america is either associating his actions with a) the cold war, b) Nazi Germany or c) Both. Russia has the attitude that the strongest can do what they like - theres one problem with that - theres always somebody stronger. All hell will break lose if they try this in the baltic states.

NO - Russia does not have that attitude - the western media just gives that picture - Russia is just not doing what the west wants it to do and therefore the media criticises Russia for that - also what does PR stand for ?

[danzig]

NO - Russia does not have that attitude - the western media just gives that picture - Russia is just not doing what the west wants it to do and therefore the media criticises Russia for that - also what does PR stand for ?

Um Russian action is creating that viewpoint the media isnt creating it.

[ryankassulke]

I have only one word for this: Anschluss

To qualify my statement:
Putin has been acting incredibly aggresively. Using the slightest provocation to pick fights with everyone else, and is pretending to be the good guy, moving in to help "oppressed" Russians fight against the evil Georgians.

He's doing a Hitler. Unfortunately for Vladimir Putin-Hitler, I do not think that there is a CHamberlain in the White House.

I think your forgetting, Georgia started the fighting. Seriously how does Putin remind you of Hitler. Just about every American president reminds me of Hitler. Putin may push UN's buttons sometimes but its Russia. i dont know where you live but i dont see how you would know just what he actually does for Russia unless you actually went there and experienced it first hand. dont just make asumbtions from the media exspecially western media they portray anyone they want as anarchist and communist.

[Baron Vlad Felix]

I think your forgetting, Georgia started the fighting. Seriously how does Putin remind you of Hitler. Just about every American president reminds me of Hitler. Putin may push UN's buttons sometimes but its Russia. i dont know where you live but i dont see how you would know just what he actually does for Russia unless you actually went there and experienced it first hand. dont just make asumbtions from the media exspecially western media they portray anyone they want as anarchist and communist.

this is a real truth!

[poloport]

I think your forgetting, Georgia started the fighting. Seriously how does Putin remind you of Hitler. Just about every American president reminds me of Hitler. Putin may push UN's buttons sometimes but its Russia. i dont know where you live but i dont see how you would know just what he actually does for Russia unless you actually went there and experienced it first hand. dont just make asumbtions from the media exspecially western media they portray anyone they want as anarchist and communist.

First of all georgia didnt start out the fight, they attacked a rebel part of theyr country, not declaring war on any nation, nor disrespecting the frontiers, russia invaded georgia!

[MaximiIian]

I have only one word for this: Anschluss

If Hitler had anschluss'd Liechtenstein, maybe.
Ossetia's such a tiny piece, it's not worth getting that worked up about. If anything, it's probably more about South Ossetia rejoining North Ossetia than Russia nabbing territory. Keep in mind, Russia is a federation; it's not like it's a unitary state like the Empire was.

[Viking Prince]

First -- I assume the Russians realize they sound very Nazi-like.

Second -- this shows the weakness of international affairs when one side is willing to fight and the other side is not so anxious to fight.

Third -- will the Russians apologize to the UN for being a "peacekeeper" with territorial ambitions? (sarcasm)

[danzig]

First -- I assume the Russians realize they sound very Nazi-like.

Second -- this shows the weakness of international affairs when one side is willing to fight and the other side is not so anxious to fight.

Third -- will the Russians apologize to the UN for being a "peacekeeper" with territorial ambitions? (sarcasm)

Well it was stupid to approve them being there in the first place. Russia "contributation" to peacekeeping force in the future should be viewed with distrust and forbidden in any region it has an interest in.

He's doing a Hitler. Unfortunately for Vladimir Putin-Hitler, I do not think that there is a CHamberlain in the White House.

Please lets not get into that nonsense. Putin is not Hitler, Putin is Putin and for better or worse the US isnt going to do anything on this particular incident.

[James Cook]

Well it was stupid to approve them being there in the first place. Russia "contributation" to peacekeeping force in the future should be viewed with distrust and forbidden in any region it has an interest in.

well said

and i belive that there should be some sort of guidlines for
sitiuations like this in the UN

[CDMan477]

well said

and i belive that there should be some sort of guidlines for
sitiuations like this in the UN

If inserting peace keepers had been a recent occurrence, Russia wouldn't have even been considered for the job. Unfortunately, hindsight is 20-20 considering the change in leadership in Russia today from almost two decades ago now.

Bleh come on lets avoid bringing down the thread, we all know it will be soon enough when the ivans all login but no sense in doing it prematurely. So consider it a brief time were we can actually discuss the issue! Like what realistic (I swear if anyone says bomb or invade Ill scream) western response to it should be.

Unfortunately, economic pressure is the only viable direction to take in limiting Russia's power, however, considering Europe will require Russian energy for quite some time, carrying out a policy of isolation on Russia is nearly impossible. Political pressure will bear no fruit in this case.

[danzig]

Unfortunately, economic pressure is the only viable direction to take in limiting Russia's power, however, considering Europe will require Russian energy for quite some time, carrying out a policy of isolation on Russia is nearly impossible. Political pressure will bear no fruit in this case.

Yeah any EU response obviously has to greatly take this into account but Russia also DOES need to sell its energy so it is a two way street as it were. It is extremely concerning though that Russia is basically becoming the middle east to Europe as the ME is to the US...the key difference is Russia is a hell of alot more ambitious, reckless and has some military muscle.

Well it is the fault of the Western media in that they don't report the reasons why Russia is justified in taking this defensive action.

Guess we dont have to wait for minnesota sunrise after all for the idiotic nonsense to start. How is annexing part of a country a defensive action? Please enlighten us oh wise rapper.

[Vladimir Lenin]

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Please lets not get into that nonsense. Putin is not Hitler,

Come on, He gave exactly the same reason that Hitler gave for invading Czechoslovakia, then Sarkozy comes in and acts like Neville Chamberlain and appeases Russia.