Palin and Obama in Perspective

**Da Skinna** · August 29, 2008, 11:27 PM

Courtesy Bill Moyers:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08292008/watch2.html

**zznɟ ǝɥʇ** · August 30, 2008, 12:10 AM

Thanks Da Skinna, Bill Moyers is class.

**Viking Prince** · August 30, 2008, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

Courtesy Bill Moyers:

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08292008/watch2.html

Interesting read. I do not think the south is lost to the democrats forever. The problem was not just race. And I do not think it is really a race problem today. The number of blacks that will never vote republican cancel out the number of whites that will never vote democrat -- if race is the issue.

The key is that race is not the only issue. Abortion, religion, gay agenda, unions, federal control (which is seen more through democratic legislation than republican, and the military are all issue on the margin that favor the republicans a bit. Not by much, but a bit. And more so in the South.

The divide is not really regional either. It is more urban liberal, rural conservative, and suburbs split a bit. The democrats also seem to do well in the college towns of any size. It just turns out that the northeast, coastal cities everywhere are where the democratic strength lies.

Regards.

**Da Skinna** · August 30, 2008, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by Viking Prince

Interesting read. I do not think the south is lost to the democrats forever. The problem was not just race. And I do not think it is really a race problem today. The number of blacks that will never vote republican cancel out the number of whites that will never vote democrat -- if race is the issue.

The key is that race is not the only issue. Abortion, religion, gay agenda, unions, federal control (which is seen more through democratic legislation than republican, and the military are all issue on the margin that favor the republicans a bit. Not by much, but a bit. And more so in the South.

The divide is not really regional either. It is more urban liberal, rural conservative, and suburbs split a bit. The democrats also seem to do well in the college towns of any size. It just turns out that the northeast, coastal cities everywhere are where the democratic strength lies.

Regards.

So what do you mean?

I mean I know it's "not that easy" but I didn't get a general point to your post.

What I find funny is that most Americans don't like the direction they're going in, and McCain says he won't steer a different direction much, and yet it's split 50/50...

**Viking Prince** · August 30, 2008, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

So what do you mean?

I mean I know it's "not that easy" but I didn't get a general point to your post.

What I find funny is that most Americans don't like the direction they're going in, and McCain says he won't steer a different direction much, and yet it's split 50/50...

Did I read the wrong article? Discussion was mainly why Johnson had lost the South.

I am simply saying the south is not lost to the democrats solely or even at all by race today. Other liberal issues are part of the problem. Also it is not really regional, but center cites everywhere tend to vote dem and rural vot repub.

**Da Skinna** · August 30, 2008, 01:43 AM

I have no idea what you're talking 'bout. Did you read the link? Or maybe I'm mistaken, I dunno.

Where am I?

**Viking Prince** · August 30, 2008, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

I have no idea what you're talking 'bout. Did you read the link? Or maybe I'm mistaken, I dunno.

Where am I?

I have misread two threads already today. It has to be me. I will look again when I am awake.

Good night.

**danzig** · August 30, 2008, 04:26 AM

Um there was very little about Palin in that other then it being cynical move and the rest glorification of Obama....

**Da Skinna** · August 30, 2008, 05:01 AM

Originally Posted by danzig

Um there was very little about Palin in that other then it being cynical move and the rest glorification of Obama....

Because there is such thing as overstating the first African-American candidate...?

Also, Karl Rove axed the Lieberman vote I heard, so maybe we'll see some interesting tactics here...

**danzig** · August 30, 2008, 05:04 AM

Originally Posted by Da Skinna

Because there is such thing as overstating the first African-American candidate...?

Yes there is such a thing....because Obama being black is only a historical achievement and little impact on anything else....like you know actually being president.

**Da Skinna** · August 30, 2008, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by danzig

Yes there is such a thing....because Obama being black is only a historical achievement and little impact on anything else....like you know actually being president.

Being a president? There is such thing today?

I thought it was all a game by Big Business and the military industrial complex to fool the people they can actually make a difference...

Maybe I'm just naive.

**Dunecat** · August 30, 2008, 06:29 AM

Being a black man makes a difference in perspective.

It does matter.

Not as much professionally, but while we're dipping our dicks in chocolate here bickering about meaningless candidate politics, I might as well say it.

*dips in chocolate*

**Viking Prince** · August 30, 2008, 06:38 AM

Originally Posted by danzig

Yes there is such a thing....because Obama being black is only a historical achievement and little impact on anything else....like you know actually being president.

But every election is historic. Every candidate a part of history. See, Obama is not unique. Obama's campaign is merely historic.

**God-Emperor of Mankind** · August 30, 2008, 06:45 AM

Wait Palin is Pro-life ??

**danzig** · August 30, 2008, 06:53 AM

Originally Posted by TB666

Wait Palin is Pro-life ??

Sadly yes hardcore prolife too but she atleast isnt a hypocrite about it. So tired of the abortion issue though, I really dont care if Obama supports baby eating or Palin supports forcing women at gunpoint to give birth. There is simply more important things this election.

**God-Emperor of Mankind** · August 30, 2008, 06:56 AM

Strange that people seems to think that she will steal the upset female Clinton votes with someone who is Pro-life.
While I agree that there are more important issues to discuss but come on.
Presidential elections isn't about important issues.

**danzig** · August 30, 2008, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by TB666

Strange that people seems to think that she will steal the upset female Clinton votes with someone who is Pro-life.
While I agree that there are more important issues to discuss but come on.
Presidential elections isn't about important issues.

Well I think the goal is to get independent women or some of them to make a difference. And yeah I know my comment about nonsense social issues doesnt match reality but I wish it did cause Im so sick of the issue. Abortion is legal. Period.

**Dunecat** · August 30, 2008, 07:29 AM

No, I just meant a black man would have a different perspective and govern differently.

And the historic bit too, wtvr.

**danzig** · August 30, 2008, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by ƞeophyte

No, I just meant a black man would have a different perspective and govern differently.

And the historic bit too, wtvr.

Well no proof of that, a black american is still an american....Obama governing differently will be based on "change" campaign rather then because he is black. I mean lets face he hasnt exactly lead the life of typical black person. Look at Condi someone who endured south racism up close but yet she went on to become a set piece in the establishment.