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    Default Hurricane Gustav - Could america do better this time?

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    If it hits New Orleans hard again, can the American government do better to help the people of new orleans? Can FEMA give better aid? I started this because i was removed from there due to Katrina. and my family is considering moving because of this. Share your thoughts.


    -EJon

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    They better do better. Or else the Americans should just riot. It wouldn't add to the 'good things' Bush has done either

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    i agree, it was pretty pathetic handling during Katrina. I can tell you from experience that i got no aid from the government. Its really sad actually.

    -EJon

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    Quote Originally Posted by EpicJon View Post
    i agree, it was pretty pathetic handling during Katrina. I can tell you from experience that i got no aid from the government. Its really sad actually.

    -EJon

    As can I.

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    Every tax payer in this country has been paying for Katrina.

    The city is under sea level, and the sea is rising. The natural defenses once counted on to block storm surge have been receding for decades, and are now receding at such a rate that by 2020 there will be no barrier left.

    Why am I paying for this? The city is doomed. Sometimes there is no answer to these things, its just how it is.

    As for the federal response to Katrina, there were a lot of issues that are usually not taken into account. Its like anything else. People form an all encompassing opinion on the matter while being fairly ignorant of all the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarnabyJones View Post
    Every tax payer in this country has been paying for Katrina.

    The city is under sea level, and the sea is rising. The natural defenses once counted on to block storm surge have been receding for decades, and are now receding at such a rate that by 2020 there will be no barrier left.

    Why am I paying for this? The city is doomed. Sometimes there is no answer to these things, its just how it is.

    As for the federal response to Katrina, there were a lot of issues that are usually not taken into account. Its like anything else. People form an all encompassing opinion on the matter while being fairly ignorant of all the facts.
    If the Dutch can keep their country dry, I would have thought the USA would be capable of doing the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    If the Dutch can keep their country dry, I would have thought the USA would be capable of doing the same.
    Class, what would happen if Hurricanes passed over Holland on a seasonly basis?


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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    If the Dutch can keep their country dry, I would have thought the USA would be capable of doing the same.
    Well, Im not trying to marginalize what the Dutch engineers did by any means. NO faces unique problems though, that cannot be solved by an ingenious system of dikes and pumps. Even then, with sea level rise, the Dutch system will eventually become obsolete, and they are planning to actually raise the ground in some parts. A massive effort.

    There is no real answer to the problem NO faces. A bad enough storm will overwhelm even the strongest levees. Even if the natural defenses against storm surge were not eroded to a point they make little or no impact, NO would still flood if a CAT 4-5 storm hit.

    Its similar to Venice Italy. At some point, likely this century, neither city will remain a viable option to live in. Not because they will be under water, but that the rising oceans will only add to the flooding issues that are very much a reality in both cities. In Venice its become normal to wear knee high rubber boots and walk on planks from dry spot, to dry spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EpicJon View Post
    i got no aid from the government.
    Did you get any from the private sector?
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    The wind blew over my umbrella, I demand $50,000 from the government to pay for my pain and suffering.
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    The state of Louisiana should have maintained better levees rather than cried to the Federals when they failed. What happened to state rights? Or did that go out the window after Appomattox?

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    Yeah but the state's aren't independent, so the national government has to help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    Yeah but the state's aren't independent, so the national government has to help.
    I was talking about the levee system. I think there is a levee that is suppose to only be able to handle 2 feet of storm surge. Did they not learn last time?

    The Federal government isn't suppose to build and fund levees for everyone. That is the responsibility of the local and state government. Otherwise do not tax people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizigothe View Post
    The Federal government isn't suppose to build and fund levees for everyone. .

    oh, so only for some, not all?


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    and the sea is rising because our government won't let go of oil and fossil fuels

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    exactly. And New orleans is not the only U.S. city under sea level.

    -EJon

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    Well Im sure if it was New York City that was threatend by a Hurricane, Washington would send millions and millions of dollars to them. And we get squat.

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    Actually there are already thousands of Buses ready to evacuate people. and The national guard and FEMA are there, so I think the Federal Govt learned their lesson.

    But you cant forget the lousy state response to the hurricane either... Like aforementioned failed levees caused a lot of the damage. People just like bashing the Federal Govt like its the only govt in the USA
    The States have there own governments too ya know Completely seperate from one another and the Fed. Govt

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    I agree, i think that if the government wanted to really help, they could have. But the chose not to. btw, what part of N.O. are you from?

    -EJon

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    Im not from N.O. Im from Lake Charles.

    Quote Originally Posted by WrathofTulkas View Post
    Actually there are already thousands of Buses ready to evacuate people. and The national guard and FEMA are there, so I think the Federal Govt learned their lesson.

    But you cant forget the lousy state response to the hurricane either... Like aforementioned failed levees caused a lot of the damage. People just like bashing the Federal Govt like its the only govt in the USA
    The States have there own governments too ya know

    700. There are 700 buses.
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