Kind of sad what happens with towers..

**LuiSius_ScutaRuS** · August 29, 2008, 02:15 PM

I have been playing MTW2K for about two years on stop, but is just now that 'even when seeing an epic game' we will never stop finding bugs and things that doesn't work properly.

I talk about AI units behaviour with my towers, lets say my army have one tower and three sets of ladders, while they have four units or archers on the walls, what are they going to do? simple, try to burn my tower while the rest of my units are freely setting up the ladders.

I hope this will get fixed in Etw...

What do you think

**SigniferOne** · August 29, 2008, 03:06 PM

Do you have any of the AI mods?

**Shaun** · August 29, 2008, 04:21 PM

And what is wrong with trying to burn the tower whilst the ladders are unhindered? Units using the ladder arrive on the walls one by one; units using a siege tower arrive en masse. It's far easier to defend against units climbing over the wall with a ladder than it is a siege tower. Hell even peasant archers can hold back dismounted knights if they're arriving by ladder.

**Etimos** · August 31, 2008, 12:06 AM

Ladders are indestructible, only the units holding them can be killed. Having your archers fire at laddermen while a tower is rolling toward your wall is pointless. The tower, at least, can be destroyed.

**NobleNick** · September 04, 2008, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by Etimos

Ladders are indestructible, only the units holding them can be killed. Having your archers fire at laddermen while a tower is rolling toward your wall is pointless. The tower, at least, can be destroyed.

I think LuiSius' point is that the archers can be picking off the carriers of the ladder, thus having fewer men to fight once the ladders arrive at the wall.

So the question is: Is it better to use flaming arrows for an extra chance to flame the tower, or would it be better to divert that firepower to picking off ladder-bearers? Seems some think that flaming the tower is a good choice, since troops coming up the ladder are easy to beat. I do not know, but would tend to agree.

**traxx91** · September 04, 2008, 01:47 PM

I always had the feeling that if two identical units attack your walls, one with ladders and one with a tower, and I deffend the walls with the same units, the ones attacking with the ladders are causing a lot more problems then the guys with the tower.

But I think its more usefull to attack the tower with flaming arrows. The leader bearers are spread over a big area, so its hard to kill them. I dont know if the ladders block some arrows... might test it.

**Eothese** · September 06, 2008, 09:47 AM

If you hit a ladder thats up against your wall with a mortar, the ladder goes flying off and everyone on it dies...

**Spartan90** · September 08, 2008, 05:17 PM

What the AI is going is correct. Your tower is A LOT more of a concern that the scaling ladders. Any defenders on the wall get a HUGE advantage over any enemy scaling the wall, so peasants can therefore take on DFKs for example. However, towers mean that the soldiers will arrive at the wall at the same level as the defenders, with more men attacking and the same time, and therefore are harder to defeat.

That's just my two cents

**Greve Af Göteborg** · September 17, 2008, 10:12 AM

I always try to get a mortar/trebuchet to take out siege towers as they are the ones that inflict the most casualites (sp?) .

Anyway i heard somewhere that ladders can be kicked off the wall ?

**Silent Assassin** · September 17, 2008, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by Greve Af Göteborg

Anyway i heard somewhere that ladders can be kicked off the wall ?

No that ain't true, tried it!

**traxx91** · September 17, 2008, 01:41 PM

Well in RTW it happens some time, that all the enemies climbing the ladders fall downward and die. I dont know how to do this: but it happens some times

Dont know if this 'feature' is still present in MTW:2, I never saw it.

**KittySN** · September 17, 2008, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Rebel6666

No that ain't true, tried it!

Actually, they can be... but the unit has to attack it from the ground... so it's kind of pointless unless there's a break in the siege (say a small army gets annihilated attacking, but there's a large reinforcement coming and you want to bottleneck them in the gates).

**Ultra_Magnus** · September 17, 2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by KittySN

Actually, they can be... but the unit has to attack it from the ground... so it's kind of pointless unless there's a break in the siege (say a small army gets annihilated attacking, but there's a large reinforcement coming and you want to bottleneck them in the gates).

Hey that is awesome i never knew that, but then again i never really needed it. Anyway is just me but i find it almost impossible to destroy the A.I towers with arrows. Is this just to give them a bit of an edge?

**KittySN** · September 17, 2008, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Ultra_Magnus

Hey that is awesome i never knew that, but then again i never really needed it. Anyway is just me but i find it almost impossible to destroy the A.I towers with arrows. Is this just to give them a bit of an edge?

Perhaps... I usually just stick a trebuchet in each settlement. 2 flaming hits and they're toast (if not from burning down on the first hit). No worries about towers anymore! Of course this is kind of taking advantage of AI stupidity too since the entire army walks right up to take massive siege weapon punishment, but pretty much everything in this game is taking advantage of the AI.