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    Default [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.


    Putin blames US for Georgia role


    Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes. Mr Putin told CNN US citizens were "in the area" during the conflict over South Ossetia and were "taking direct orders from their leaders". He said his defence officials had told him the provocation was to benefit one of the US presidential candidates.

    The White House dismissed the allegations as "not rational". Georgia tried to retake the Russian-backed separatist region of South Ossetia this month by force after a series of clashes. Russian forces subsequently launched a counter-attack and the conflict ended with the ejection of Georgian troops from both South Ossetia and another rebel region, Abkhazia, and an EU-brokered ceasefire.

    Mr Putin said in the interview: "The fact is that US citizens were indeed in the area in conflict during the hostilities."It should be admitted that they would do so only following direct orders from their leaders."
    Mr Putin added: "The American side in effect armed and trained the Georgian army. Why... seek a difficult compromise solution in the peacekeeping process? It is easier to arm one of the sides and provoke it into killing another side. And the job is done.The suspicion arises that someone in the United States especially created this conflict with the aim of making the situation more tense and creating a competitive advantage for one of the candidates fighting for the post of US president."

    White House spokeswoman Dana Perino rejected the allegation. "To suggest that the United States orchestrated this on behalf of a political candidate - it sounds not rational," she said. "Those claims first and foremost are patently false, but it also sounds like his defence officials who said they believed this to be true are giving him really bad advice."

    Diplomatic wrangling over Russia's actions in Georgia continued on Thursday with the Georgian parliament urging its government to cut diplomatic ties with Moscow.

    Earlier, French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner suggested some EU countries were considering sanctions against Russia.

    Mr Kouchner insisted France had made no proposals for sanctions itself but, as current president of the EU, would aim to get consensus among all 27 countries of the bloc if sanctions were envisaged. France has called an emergency EU summit on Monday to reassess relations with Russia.

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov described talk of sanctions as the working of "a sick imagination". Such talk was an emotional response that demonstrated Western confusion over the situation, he said.

    The US has said it is now considering scrapping a US-Russia civilian nuclear co-operation pact in response to the conflict. "I don't think there's anything to announce yet, but I know that that is under discussion," Mr Perino said.
    The White House has also announced that up to $5.75m (£3.1m) will be freed to help Georgia meet "unexpected and urgent refugee and migration needs".

    Earlier on Thursday Russia failed to get strong backing from its Asian allies over the Georgia conflict. The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO), comprising Russia, China and Central Asian nations, met in Dushanbe, Tajikistan, and spoke of its deep concern. The group did not follow Russia in recognising the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
    Russian President Dmitry Medvedev insisted he had the backing of the nations over Moscow's actions.

    Amid the rising tension, Russia announced on Thursday it had successfully tested its long-range Topol ballistic missile from a launch site in Kamchatka in the far east of the country. Russia says the rocket is capable of penetrating the proposed US missile defence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by perun View Post
    And suddenly the world is a fun place again.
    Didn't think Putin had such humor.

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    Default Re: [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.

    It clearly shows who is realy behind steering wheel in Russia ...but no surprise at all

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    Default Re: [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.

    I recall a topic about it discussed a week ago.

    For some reason I can remember certain people claiming that it is BS, that it doesn't matter and that this opinion is meaningless or its source is faulty.


    Anyone remembers ? Mr. Markov - the chief advisior to Kremlin said that, now Putin says the same.

    Is there anyone willing to deny that it happened, that indeed Kremlin claims it is an American plot aiming to bring McCain to the White House ?

    Now I would like to see faces of some people who claimed it is not true.


    Remember ?

    'According to Russian state radio, was the South Ossetian conflict caused by a) Georgian attacks in South Ossetia b) months of Russian antagonism c) A plot by Dick Cheny to stop Obama becoming President? '
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    "Mr Putin said in the interview: "The fact is that US citizens were indeed in the area in conflict during the hostilities."It should be admitted that they would do so only following direct orders from their leaders.""

    and I reply to mr Putin :

    the fact is there were russian peacekeepers in the area of conflict when the hostilities began, it should be admitted they were following orders...

    does that make any sense?

    imo more than mr Putin's statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew87 View Post
    "Mr Putin said in the interview: "The fact is that US citizens were indeed in the area in conflict during the hostilities."It should be admitted that they would do so only following direct orders from their leaders.""

    and I reply to mr Putin :

    the fact is there were russian peacekeepers in the area of conflict when the hostilities began, it should be admitted they were following orders...

    does that make any sense?

    imo more than mr Putin's statement
    Yes it does. Russian peacekeepers were assigned by UN. Were US military assigned anywhere by some authority? I seriously doubt that.

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    Yes it does. Russian peacekeepers were assigned by UN. Were US military assigned anywhere by some authority? I seriously doubt that.
    I know Russian peacekeepers were assigned by the UN

    I was just making fun of Putin's "sensational" claims

    If there were american troops in Georgia so what?

    Georgia is a free country or was one... if the georgian military asked for asistance form us troops for training or for equipment what's wrong with that?

    Seriously that statement is russian diplomacy at it's finnest

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    Default Re: [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.

    Well that was lame.
    I don't get it... What is Putin trying to achieve with these accusations? The EU will call him an idiot, the US will laugh in his face and China (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation) seems to be staying out of this one.
    Is he grandstanding to get more popular support? And does this mean he feels his regime is on shaky ground?
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    Default Re: [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.

    in essence, what Putin said was already a common knowledge. US did back Saakashvili in this conflict (both politically, diplomatically and militarily). certain political forces in America still do so and actually extract a lot of political gain out of it, including for all practical purposes of the US presidential ellections cycle. just like certain political circles in Washington extracted gain from 9/11, etc.

    quit arguing about semantics and argue about substance.

    Quote Originally Posted by KaerMorhen View Post
    It clearly shows who is realy behind steering wheel in Russia ...
    and where were you when the Western media interviewed Medvedev?
    Last edited by Panzerbear; August 28, 2008 at 01:15 PM.

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    Default Re: [BBC News] Putin has accused the US of provoking the conflict in Georgia, possibly for domestic election purposes.

    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    and where were you when the Western media interviewed Medvedev?
    I must disappoint you, I'm not the follower of CNN/BBC oracles as you assumed

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    in essence, what Putin said was already a common knowledge. US did back Saakashvili in this conflict (both politically, diplomatically and militarily). certain political forces in America still do so and actually extract a lot of political gain out of it, including for all practical purposes of the US presidential ellections cycle. just like certain political circles in Washington extracted gain from 9/11, etc.

    quit arguing about semantics and argue about substance.



    and where were you when the Western media interviewed Medvedev?
    ! So, Putin had no choice but to attack!

    Putin is having flashbacks of his KGB days. The only story out of Russia that is true! Everybody, get your boots on the BS is flowing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobolini View Post
    ! So, Putin had no choice but to attack!

    Putin is having flashbacks of his KGB days. The only story out of Russia that is true! Everybody, get your boots on the BS is flowing
    how to troll back russia is in this thread: http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=188094
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobolini View Post
    This is coming from a Hyprocrite that backs Russia,
    hypocrite? how so?

    hates the USA
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    but lives and works in the USA.
    and have no problem with it. if I didnt want you to know, I would have just deleted this information off my profile. no please grow the up.

    If your country is so great, why don't you go back there?
    I do go back there as often as I can. unfortunately, not everybody can do anything that he wants.

    All the Russian guys I encounter here are the most non-objective people I have ever meet.
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    Russia is continuing to take its rightful place as laughing stock of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker85 View Post
    Russia is continuing to take its rightful place as laughing stock of the world.
    It has a loooong way to go to catch up with the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin the II View Post
    It has a loooong way to go to catch up with the US.
    the US are a laughing stock? maybe.. but they got the guns to back it up, Russia dont (beyond their rusting nuclear arsenal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    the US are a laughing stock? maybe.. but they got the guns to back it up, Russia dont (beyond their rusting nuclear arsenal)
    Nukes are more than enough.
    Imo both are pathetic "would-be empires".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valentin the II View Post
    Nukes are more than enough.
    debatable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carach View Post
    the US are a laughing stock? maybe.. but they got the guns to back it up, Russia dont (beyond their rusting nuclear arsenal)
    so the war in Georgia didnt teach you ? you are just going to say that nothing ever happened, despite 4,000 Russian soldiers + airforce owning the out of one country in 5 days?

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    so the war in Georgia didnt teach you ? you are just going to say that nothing ever happened, despite 4,000 Russian soldiers + airforce owning the out of one country in 5 days?
    Yes it taught us a nation of 140million people can indeed "win" a conflict against a country of 4million...a country who's GDP is half of Russian military budget. So um grats? Such chest thumping diarrhea.
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