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    This is a case that shocked Israeli public completely. This story is very complicated, and I'll just quote from a news website that explains the whole story more or less:
    Israeli police suspect a four-year-old girl was murdered and dumped in a river by her grandfather and her mother, who were in a romantic relationship.

    Police removed a gag order over the details of the gruesome case, which they described as "one of the most shocking in the country's history".
    The grandfather, identified as Ronny Ron, 45, lived in the coastal town of Natanya just north of Tel Aviv with 23-year-old Marie Pisam, a French woman who had emigrated to Israel with Ron's son Benjamin, with whom she had a daughter named Rose.

    Benjamin Ron divorced Pisam three years ago after he found out she was having an affair with his father. Ron and Pisam now have two children together, police said.

    Leading police investigator Ilan Ben Shalom told reporters that Ron had admitted to beating Rose to death before stuffing her body into a suitcase and throwing it into the Yarkon River in Tel Aviv three months ago.
    "Ronny and Marie are involved in the murder and disappearance of Rose," Ben Shalom said at a news conference.

    Although he had reconstructed the murder, Ron later retracted his testimony, Ben Shalom said. Police have yet to locate the body.
    "We have conducted an extensive search in different places, including the Yarkon River where for several days we applied different means to locate the body," he said.

    Police suspect that the murder occurred in May, but the girl's disappearance was only brought to their attention about two weeks ago when her great-grandmother contacted welfare authorities.
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/lit...516507445.html
    It isn't suspected he murdered her now, he admitted he did and he threw here body in a river in Tel-Aviv. I just didn't find more updated source.


    Rose - the murdered child in the big picture. The grandfather in the upper small picture and the mother in the lower small picture.


    Now, what do you think people's like him should be punished? Death? Lifetime in jail?

    And in fresh news in Israel, Arab-Israeli - Palestinian terrorist group exposed as they planned to kill Israeli pilots.
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    LOL, he actually banged his son's wife?
    Damn, that's pretty sneaky.
    I'll have to keep a close watch on my father from now on.

    About the girl: don't care, ugly kids get murdered all the time, shouldn't even be news.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    About the girl: don't care, ugly kids get murdered all the time, shouldn't even be news.
    At first, I only hated your opinions, now I hate you completely.

    At least it's a good referrence whenever your character comes into question, thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    LOL, he actually banged his son's wife?
    Damn, that's pretty sneaky.
    I'll have to keep a close watch on my father from now on.

    About the girl: don't care, ugly kids get murdered all the time, shouldn't even be news.
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    About the girl: don't care, ugly kids get murdered all the time, shouldn't even be news.
    I hope you are joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    I hope you are joking.
    I hope so too. If not, you should be ashamed of yourself to not care when children are murdered so brutally. Even if it does happen all too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuntdawg5 View Post
    I hope so too. If not, you should be ashamed of yourself to not care when children are murdered so brutally. Even if it does happen all too often.
    Why?
    Are you also upset about the girl that got murdered 30 sec. ago?
    What about out the one that lost her life 1 minute ago?

    Or is it just when somebody makes a news story about it that you start caring?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Why?
    Are you also upset about the girl that got murdered 30 sec. ago?
    What about out the one that lost her life 1 minute ago?

    Or is it just when somebody makes a news story about it that you start caring?
    Oh, one of those 'against the mold', 'I'm better than you types'.

    Not impressive.

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    Creepy, but not relevant and not newsworthy. Murders happen everyday, cases like these only serve shock-value and are really just Tabloid press ala the Scott Peterson trial.

    Edit: Inb4 Politicization of this case to fit in the spectrum of argument's and talking point's that encompass the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    Oh, one of those 'against the mold', 'I'm better than you types'.

    Not impressive.
    He fits more into the "what makes her so special ??" group and which I agree sometimes too.
    While a horrible crime, it's nothing that hasn't happened before and will happen again.
    There are sick people out there.
    As stated, nothing special here or newsworthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Why?
    Are you also upset about the girl that got murdered 30 sec. ago?
    What about out the one that lost her life 1 minute ago?

    Or is it just when somebody makes a news story about it that you start caring?
    Uhh...I do care? Is it just odd for you to meet someone that has feelings? Because you're sure showing that you have none. It doesn't matter if a person died every 30 seconds and I had no idea, I still care.

    Yeah, I may not know who the exact person is, but I do care for any innocent person that dies. The only way I can express it is by posting it on the ones that make the news, but when I post it, I post it for all the innocent people that have lost their lives, if I know them, or if I don't.

    So, although you may think that just because so many die in such a little time without anyone making a thread about them that it's not worth caring about them anymore, you're wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Why?
    Are you also upset about the girl that got murdered 30 sec. ago?
    What about out the one that lost her life 1 minute ago?

    Or is it just when somebody makes a news story about it that you start caring?
    There is a difference between not knowing and not caring on the one hand and knowing and not caring. The first one is ignorance. The second borders on sadistic perversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mythos View Post
    There is a difference between not knowing and not caring on the one hand and knowing and not caring. The first one is ignorance. The second borders on sadistic perversion.
    You know about the poor condition in Africa right?
    Do you wake up every day thinking about those poor starving africans?
    No, ofcourse not! You dont care. Nobody ing cares.
    In my whole life I met one women who actually cared about them, and she was laughed at when she said it (she said it in an amusing way).

    You see, most peopple dont care about anything that doesnt concern them, eg happen to them or their loved ones.
    And theres nothing wrong with that, its human nature.
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    Well so Palestinian kids are killed every day, does that mean they get thier face plastered over the front page?

    And yes this is a tragedy and a hard one at that.

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    You are no upset about it? It's even more shocking, add that to the fact you feel extreme sympathy to the Palestinians and it would be completely absured. It's news becaues such thing just don't happen in Israel as it might be common in other countries, maybe Holland is one of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    You are no upset about it? It's even more shocking, add that to the fact you feel extreme sympathy to the Palestinians and it would be completely absurd. It's news because such thing just don't happen in Israel as it might be common in other countries, maybe Holland is one of them.
    We have domestic homicides involving children, nothing new about that, it happens all around the world. But to be fair, death is death, it shouldn't be more shocking than children dying because of war.

    And Erik just voices his opinion, people die every day, we are horrid creatures, live with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyler View Post
    We have domestic homicides involving children, nothing new about that, it happens all around the world. But to be fair, death is death, it shouldn't be more shocking than children dying because of war.

    And Erik just voices his opinion, people die every day, we are horrid creatures, live with it.
    Erik just said he doesn't feel any sympathy because she is ugly to his opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    Erik just said he doesn't feel any sympathy because she is ugly to his opinion.
    I wouldn't care even if she was beautiful.

    The point was:
    Normally only good looking kids get singled out to receive media attention when they die - which shows how arbritary such stories are.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    The point was:
    Normally only good looking kids get singled out to receive media attention when they die - which shows how arbritary such stories are.
    Madeleine McCann comes to mind.
    Personally I think it's pure exploitation(sp??).
    If I was the father of a dead child/missing child I would sue the living out of any newspaper that dares to report about it.

    Then why did you post their pictures?
    Same reason the newspapers do it, for effect.
    She is just another child getting killed.
    I'm surprised they didn't photoshop her to look all cute.
    Sell more newspapers if the child is cute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azael33 View Post
    Erik just said he doesn't feel any sympathy because she is ugly to his opinion.
    While I cannot speak on Erik's behalf, I think his motivation is a bit deeper than superficial appearances. Do not take words as they are lest they are out of context or meaning.

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