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    I just want to start out by saying, this is unrelated to the Russia-Georgia conflict but some events may interwine.
    As many have regarded the Russia media as false and corrupt, I thought I would study the subject and report my findings. It may be a big read, but it is worth the read

    I will start by stating the "Reporters without Borders", a company that ranks countries by the freedom of press, has ranked Russia 144th place out of 169 countries studied.

    Situation as a Journalist in Russia
    During the first and second Chechen Wars, many people converted to freelance journalists, often video-taping many fighting scenes and writing about their time in the combat zone. I must say that of the journalists, 15 were mysteriously killed after the war, these journalists were ones that often released questionable info on the war, tales of genocide etc.
    In fact, since 1992, 43 journalists have been killed, including 59 assaults and 12 attacks on journalist's offices.

    Situation of Television in Russia
    The Commitee to Protect Journalists has reported that the 3 main Russian TV stations are under complete control by the Kremlin.
    Many Russians and critics complain people and companies speaking out against a Russian leader or Russian law or often blacklisted or 'disappear', but the second case is more rare.

    Opposition in Russia
    The "Reporters without Borders" group claims

    "We are outraged to see that even important international meetings do not prevent the political authorities from harassing leaders of the Other Russia coalition who are organising a protest march (although it has been authorised) and the journalists who have interviewed them,” the press freedom organisation said. “This is a flagrant violation of human rights and civil liberties, and we urge all human rights activists to be especially vigilant in the comingmonths, which will be decisive for Russia’s future."

    Freedom House Report
    "Media freedom was further curtailed in 2006 as President Vladimir Putin’s government passed legislation restricting news reporting and journalists were subjected to physical violence and intimidation ... Despite public objections, Russia’s parliament also passed amendments to the Law on Fighting Extremist Activity, which Putin then signed in July. The measure expanded the definition of extremism to include media criticism of public officials, and authorized up to three years’ imprisonment for journalists as well as the suspension or closure of their publications if they were convicted ... Authorities continued to exert influence on media outlets and determine news content in 2006. The state owns or controls significant stakes in the country’s three main national television networks: Channel One, Rossiya, and NTV ... During 2006, journalists continued to face criminal libel charges for printing and broadcasting statements that were unfavorable to public officials. Criminal courts also sentenced several journalists on charges of “inciting racial hatred” for publicizing controversial events in Chechnya. Stanislav Dmitriyevsky, head of the Russian-Chechen Friendship Society, was convicted of the offense in February after publishing statements by leading Chechen separatists like the late Aslan Maskhadov. He received a suspended prison sentence and probation, but his conviction allowed the government to shutter his organization in October under a provision of the new NGO law. It remained open, with appeals pending, at year’s end. Boris Stomakhin of the monthly Radikalnaya Politika, who has written various critical articles on Russia’s actions in Chechnya, was sentenced in November to five years in prison .... The international media community expressed its shock at the October murder of Novaya Gazeta journalist Anna Politkovskaya, who was renowned for her independent reporting about abuses committed in the war in Chechnya. Other journalists who were killed in 2006—likely for reasons tied to their work, according to media watchdogs—included Ilya Zimin, a correspondent for the national television station NTV; Vagif Kochetkov, a correspondent for the Moscow daily Trud and columnist for the Tula paper Tulskii Molodoi Kommunar; Yevgeny Gerasimenko, a correspondent for the Saratov independent weekly Saratovksy Rasklad; and Anatoly Voronin, deputy director of the Russian news agency Itar-Tass .... With online media developing and 16 percent of the population now online, the government also harassed some of Russia’s leading news websites. For example, officials accused Pravda.ru, Bankfax.ru, and Gazeta.ru of spreading extremist ideas, and fined the editor of the internet publication Kursiv for publishing an “offensive” article about Putin."

    Please don't label this as anti-Russian, these are official sources.
    Last edited by attilavolciak07; August 26, 2008 at 12:40 PM.

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    What exactly constitutes an "official" source?
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    I got all the information from Freedom House, Reporters without Borders and the Committee to Protect Journalists


    Come on .Czar, I made this thread (in part) to hear your rhetoric!
    Last edited by attilavolciak07; August 26, 2008 at 12:45 PM.

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    Yes, Russian govt did crack down on oligarchs and took the media away from them in the late 90s-early 00s. I would never have called those media sources as "free" anyway, since they were merely serving private interests of the oligarchs.

    that being said, there are many Russian media sources that are both oppositional to the govt and are widely available both in Russia and internationally. also, main TV stations still produce great television that is interesting to watch. so, freedom of press is a relative measure.

    flipping channel to channel on news coverage of war in Georgia by American news, I am quite confident that they are not "free" either.

    PS: more journalists died under Yeltsyn that under Putin. something that all these "freedom houses" choose to ignore. they also completely ignore the causes of their deaths. Russia loses 700,000 people per year due to all sorts of reasons and the statistic alone doesnt mean that Putin/Medvedev are putting Stalin atrocities to shame. the statistic merely shows that people die in Russia, and so are journalists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    Yes, Russian govt did crack down on oligarchs and took the media away from them in the late 90s-early 00s. I would never have called those media sources as "free" anyway, since they were merely serving private interests of the oligarchs.

    that being said, there are many Russian media sources that are both oppositional to the govt and are widely available both in Russia and internationally. also, main TV stations still produce great television that is interesting to watch. so, freedom of press is a relative measure.

    flipping channel to channel on news coverage of war in Georgia by American news, I am quite confident that they are not "free" either.

    PS: more journalists died under Yeltsyn that under Putin. something that all these "freedom houses" choose to ignore. they also completely ignore the causes of their deaths. Russia loses 700,000 people per year due to all sorts of reasons and the statistic alone doesnt mean that Putin/Medvedev are putting Stalin atrocities to shame. the statistic merely shows that people die in Russia, and so are journalists.
    Strongly recommend Czar to look up the source of funding for Reporter without Borders and we'd realize - they're a mouthpiece. Still. Disappointing.
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    anything that implys Russia is anything less then perfect is clearly a lie and the poster of such content is a russophobe!

    yea these reporters without borders are totally making this stuff up so people dont realise how amazingly free and unbiased russian media is!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vexille View Post
    anything that implys Russia is anything less then perfect is clearly a lie and the poster of such content is a russophobe!

    yea these reporters without borders are totally making this stuff up so people dont realise how amazingly free and unbiased russian media is!
    While true there is a line between being portrayed as less than perfect and on the other side being portrayed as some baby eating monster.

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    I've read dozens of Russian newspapers, criticizing Putin. So I guess its just an attempt to show Russia as an "evil" country once again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HailThor View Post
    I've read dozens of Russian newspapers, criticizing Putin. So I guess its just an attempt to show Russia as an "evil" country once again.
    Yes, that is exactly why I created this thread. (rollseyes)
    Just because something bad about Russia doesn't mean I am an anti-Russian. After all they are my Slavic brothers And I can insult something America does, but that doesn't mean I am an anti-American

    so, freedom of press is a relative measure
    Not exactly, every international orgnization rates the Freedom of press there poorly.

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    freedom of press is ineeded a relative measure.

    Britain > US > Russia > Venezuela > Belarus > China > Zimbabwe > North Korea.

    all these ratings are meaningless to you as a news consumer, as long as you know that you can easily switch a channel and listen to a politician bashing Kremlin on TV. as in case with RTVI in Russia, for example. everything else is complete speculation.

    Russian main TV channels are under tight "editors" control. this is well known. but not all Russian TV is "main channels".
    Russian main radio channels are also under tight "editors" control. but surely as hell overwhelming majority of Russian radio stations are NOT.
    Russian newspapers domain is relatively free.
    Russian internet domain is absolutely free.

    now go and complain how horrible is life in Russia, see if I care.
    Last edited by Panzerbear; August 26, 2008 at 01:01 PM.

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    Not exactly. Just watching Russian News during the Georgian War is all the proof we need.
    GENOCIDE IN OSSETIA! ONLY BY GEORGIA! RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS ENTER OSSETIA!
    Give me a break!

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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    Not exactly. Just watching Russian News during the Georgian War is all the proof we need.
    GENOCIDE IN OSSETIA! ONLY BY GEORGIA! RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS ENTER OSSETIA!
    Give me a break!
    you were watching "Russian news" in US? where?

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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    Not exactly. Just watching Russian News during the Georgian War is all the proof we need.
    GENOCIDE IN OSSETIA! ONLY BY GEORGIA! RUSSIAN PEACEKEEPERS ENTER OSSETIA!
    Give me a break!
    How intellegent! And what 'news' have you watched? As far as I am concerned they always said: Some estimates put the civillian death toll upp to... State owned RussiaToday, and super nationalist pravda.ru doesn't represent the whole Russian media.

    Try en.rian.ru though. It's biased (as BBC), but it's far better then FOX, CNN, the Sun (who tried to report news ), Pravda, Russia today and so on.

    Only western media I truly respect is reuters and Al Jazeera.

    Besides, what has 'bias' have to do with Russian press freedome?
    The non state controlled channels (the majority) are simply patriotic. They try to present a neutral point of view, just like BBC & CNN.

    PS. CNN was as biased as RussiaToday, so please be quiet.

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    Wow, you copy & pasted some article from the 2004's, and posted it here?

    Truth is, that the average Russian is not being brainwashed. On the contrary, the average Russian is quite upset (and some organizations express it extremly roughly) about some problems.

    Besides, we have atleast a 100 extreme dessendists blabbering around. No one takes them seriously though.

    Besides, the situation isn't so bad now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikitn View Post
    Wow, you copy & pasted some article from the 2004's, and posted it here?

    Truth is, that the average Russian is not being brainwashed. On the contrary, the average Russian is quite upset (and some organizations express it extremly roughly) about some problems.

    Besides, we have atleast a 100 extreme dessendists blabbering around. No one takes them seriously though.
    I'm not saying anything about the average Russian.


    .Czar, not in the US I'm in Macedonia (the repbublic that is), I'm watching CNN, I watch Russian news when I want a good laugh. It's like Baghdad Bob. No Russians are in Gori!
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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    .Czar, not in the US, I'm watching CNN, I watch Russian news when I want a good laugh. It's lime Baghdad Bob. No Russians are in Gori!
    what Russian news were you watching? quit dodging the question.

    Macedonian? I could have sworn that you said you were Slovakian and then American... and now you are Macedonian?
    can you please stop changing your facemasks? and what Russian news did you watch in Macedonia?
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    Quote Originally Posted by .Czar View Post
    what Russian news were you watching? quit dodging the question.

    Macedonian? I could have sworn that you said you were Slovakian and then American... and now you are Macedonian?
    can you please stop changing your facemasks? and what Russian news did you watch in Macedonia?
    RT. wasn't dodging the question, you said where after the US line so I thought you meant where you live

    I am an American half Slovak who lives in Skopje. Does that answer your question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    RT.
    thats what I thought. and not only you "didnt watch the Russian news", but also you simply watched youtube news pieces that I posted in various threads.

    1) RussiaToday is not "entire Russian media". Russian media is very diverse. but RussiaToday is the only one in English, so I used it for all my practical purposes.

    2) RussiaToday is not even a regular TV channel in Russia. you have to get cable to get it, and cable has HUGE variety of channels.

    3) whatever happened to RTVI? is that no longer oppoistional for your taste anymore?

    Throw away all your newspapers!
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    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    I'm not saying anything about the average Russian.
    So if the average Russian don't get 'brain washed' by the Russian media (which is no worse then CNN, in terms of bias), what exactly is your point? A press reporter can say whatever he/she wants, with no fear of the state. They should be careful of the mafia though. It's not to different to journalists who 'dig to deep' in Sicily and Southern Italy.



    .Czar, not in the US I'm in Macedonia (the repbublic that is), I'm watching CNN, I watch Russian news when I want a good laugh. It's lime Baghdad Bob. No Russians are in Gori!
    Wow, when did the Russian media lie? When the Russian tanks rolled into, the Russian officials immideatly told so to the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by attilavolciak07 View Post
    RT.
    Oh, since when did RussiaToday represent the entire Russian media? Atleast botherd to find something more.

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    Oh, since when did RussiaToday represent the entire Russian media? Atleast botherd to find something more.
    It is a major station, if you looked at the OP, it stated that the top 3 station are under Kremlin control

    So if the average Russian don't get 'brain washed' by the Russian media
    Thats not the topic

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