A renewed Sudanese attack?

[attilavolciak07]

Why do the Sudanese forces keep on doing this?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080825/...hIakMpoDlvaA8F



I mean, these refugees live like this! Why would they attack them. I believe they are fighting the JEM and NRF (and maybe Chad) but not refugees.

[Каие]

The government is a racist bunch of Bastards. Trying to make Sudan Arab despite the fact none of them are in fact real Arabs...or at lest very few. Here lies in the Arab hypocrisy, Israel's very existence is wrong yet have no problem with the Arabs role in Africa.

[attilavolciak07]

39% are Arab, mainly in the north near Khartoum.

The rest are mostly black, around 52% and 6% Beja, which mainly is the South.

I think the south is trying to achieve independence.

[Каие]

No wonders. They should have it considering how the government treats them, it happened in Kosovo,it will happen in Palestine and Tibet, it should happen here. Too bad there is no Oil in Darfur.

[attilavolciak07]

No wonders. They should have it considering how the government treats them, it happened in Kosovo,it will happen in Palestine and Tibet, it should happen here. Too bad there is no Oil in Darfur.

They do have oil. Not alot but some.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intifada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Tibetan_uprising
They have happened already, not the full open rebellion but somewhat

[Каие]

They do have oil. Not alot but some.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intifada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1959_Tibetan_uprising
They have happened already, not the full open rebellion but somewhat

Isn't it ironic, Israel dealt with its rebellion far better than the authoritarian states.

otherwise yea......Arabs are all fine and dandy when its israel, but not when its their brothers down south - they ignore it

My point exactly.

[Carach]

Too bad there is no Oil in Darfur.

funnily enough they do, though most of the country is largely unexplored with regards to oil - in neighbouring egypt theyre apparently finding quite a bit so due to close proximity i guess its kind of logical to assume theres a bit of unexplored oil in sudan.... probably in the area where all the refugees are heh.

otherwise yea......Arabs are all fine and dandy when its israel, but not when its their brothers down south - they ignore it

[Viking Prince]

I say send in the Euro troops. Make Sudan safe for Euro democracy.

Sorry -- it does not seem to have the same effect as shouting send in the US Marines!

This is a serious problem, but what can civilised people do -- short of sending in a foreign military force? Words do not work. UN sanctions do not work. What is left?

[attilavolciak07]

Believe it or not, a few US senators put forth something (I don't know what it is called) to invade Sudan.

[Mithie]

This is a serious problem, but what can civilised people do -- short of sending in a foreign military force? Words do not work. UN sanctions do not work. What is left?

This is why the African Union was created, by the way, to deal with crap like this.

[attilavolciak07]

This is why the African Union was created, by the way, to deal with crap like this.

The AU has no power, in fact there only use of force was the invasion of the Comoros, but they saw no combat, one civilian was injured. Great experiance.

[Axeman]

This is why the African Union was created, by the way, to deal with crap like this.

Wrong. The AU was created for that , and the token AU force in Sudan is laughable , the only thing the AU does is get togather and make sure they all vote for the same thing at the UN to get there way.

[Mithie]

Wrong. The AU was created for that , and the token AU force in Sudan is laughable , the only thing the AU does is get togather and make sure they all vote for the same thing at the UN to get there way.

I'm not sure how that makes me "wrong", unless you just began posting without reading the rest of the thread or the elaboration of my position.

Could you elaborate?

To put it lightly they aren't democratic like us, so an eye for an eye and two wrongs to make a right is accepted in Africa.

That's hardly unique to Africa nor a non-democratic regime. Blaming problems on Sudan on the fact that it's not a democratic nation is just skirting the problem.

They bombed pearl harbor, we dropped two nuclear war heads on two of their major cities. An eye for an eye is the principle of sustaining every major conflict since Sargon the Great.

racism is racism kb8, i could use the same motive as what your suggesting to kick out or severely restrict the rights of all the minorities here in the UK; would u consider that fair and just? Believe u would call it racism

No. The Apartheid is racism. The Darfur conflict is political and ethnic cleansing - by about 10 different groups on 100 different other groups and races.

[Каие]

That's hardly unique to Africa nor a non-democratic regime. Blaming problems on Sudan on the fact that it's not a democratic nation is just skirting the problem.

By un democratic I mean un-enlightened, its no mystery.

They bombed pearl harbor, we dropped two nuclear war heads on two of their major cities. An eye for an eye is the principle of sustaining every major conflict since Sargon the Great.

I'm talking about punishing whites fro what their ancestors did 200 years ago. I don't go out and kill Christians because of the crusades.

I say start arming the southerners.

They are just as bad if not worse.

[Carach]

No. The Apartheid is racism. The Darfur conflict is political and ethnic cleansing - by about 10 different groups on 100 different other groups and races.

and ethnic cleansing isnt an extreme form of racism and prejudice? :/

200 years ago? The Apartheid was how long ago?

Sorry - white colonialism and the atrocities committed against the natives is still a very recent memory. Trying to solve the problem by pretending it doesn't exist didn't work very well for the likes of Rwanda and it won't work for the likes of Sudan.

white colonialism has nothing to do with this mithie. white supremacism after colonial retreat is whats to do with SA (and doesnt particularly have anything to do with sudan, just that the fact is that africa have always been killing each other over stupid things like race and tribal affiliations. theyve never been 'united' as was claimed earlier in a thread)

Nobody's denying that the racism shown by the aparthid regime in SA was wrong, i was merely saying its completely hypocritical now that the whites, the majority of which these days had nothing to do with it, are discriminated upon and treated like dirt. The entire campaign for african freedom there was based on equality yet there is none even today; its simply ignored by the rest of the world because of it's past. Its only racism when its white discriminating black.

[Каие]

The AU is a retarded old man who is corrupt.

[Mithie]

The AU has no power, in fact there only use of force was the invasion of the Comoros, but they saw no combat, one civilian was injured. Great experiance.

The AU is a retarded old man who is corrupt.

Agreed on both points, unfortunately.

[Каие]

The EU, and Mediterranean Union has to take authority. Someone has to bring in Bashir to the Hague. Kidnap him if we have to. I volunteer. Africans after all have to stand up for Africans, over Arabs, as the De facto rules go.

[Mithie]

The EU, and Mediterranean Union has to take authority. Someone has to bring in Bashir to the Hague. Kidnap him if we have to. I volunteer. Africans after all have to stand up for Africans, over Arabs.

Easy to say - but the blame hardly lies 100% with Bashir, and getting rid of him would be nothing more than a gesture. To really get to the root of the problem, you'd have to axe half the Sudanese military leadership and pacify all the splinter factions in Darfur which contribute just as much blood to the death toll as the military.

Not an easy thing to do by any stretch of the imagination. The African Union has domestic legitimacy. The EU has no such advantage.

[Каие]

Easy to say - but the blame hardly lies 100% with Bashir, and getting rid of him would be nothing more than a gesture. To really get to the root of the problem, you'd have to axe half the Sudanese military leadership and pacify all the splinter factions in Darfur which contribute just as much blood to the death toll as the military.

No one said it would be easy, but instead of gallivanting in Iraq and now turning to Iran, we could have devoted some time to this. It can still be solved diplomatically if we get to the root of what the hell is going on, then have that long delayed EU and UN peacekeeping force.