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    Default The devil is here, boy.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/21/....ap/index.html

    BOISE, Idaho (AP) -- Jurors cringed, cried and some desperately looked away as they were shown a series of deeply disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.


    Joseph Edward Duncan III stalked the Groene family and killed four of its five members.

    1 of 3 Joseph Edward Duncan III, acting as his own attorney, had argued against playing the videos, saying it would turn jurors "into my victims" as they decide whether he should be executed.

    Duncan kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, their mother and her fiance in the Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, area. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of horrendous abuse at Duncan's hands.

    Duncan ultimately shot the boy point-blank in the head while his sister, then 8, watched. He was arrested after returning to Coeur d'Alene, where a waitress recognized Shasta as the two ate at a Denny's restaurant.

    The videos and photos taken at the cabin show Duncan forcing the boy to perform a sex act, whipping him with a belt and hanging him with a wire noose until the boy passed out.

    "The devil is here, boy, the devil himself. The demon couldn't do what the devil sent him to do so the devil came himself," Duncan yells in one video. "The devil likes to watch children suffer and cry."

    Duncan covered his face as parts of the video were shown, and jurors frequently shot him looks. Two of Duncan's standby attorneys also avoided looking at the screen.

    Duncan, a convicted pedophile originally from Tacoma, Washington, has pleaded guilty to federal and state counts including murder. The federal jury is considering the death penalty on charges related to the kidnappings and Dylan's murder, but he also could face execution on state counts in the other three killings.

    Duncan, who is representing himself in federal court, objected to showing the videos, saying that would "basically be turning the jury into my victims so I will be tried not by a jury of peers but by a jury of victims."

    Judge Edward Lodge overruled Duncan's objection, as well as a last-minute request from Steven Groene, Shasta and Dylan's father, to close the courtroom to everyone but essential court personnel and one news media representative. He did prevail upon U.S. marshals guarding the courtroom to cover the windows on the door.

    In the video, after releasing Dylan from the noose, Duncan promised to take him to the hospital so his injured neck could be treated. He also promised to tell hospital staffers where to find Shasta, who had been left back at the campground, so they could come find her. He kept neither promise.

    After that, Duncan offered to let Dylan watch the video of his "death," then wandered away from the camera where he could be heard singing part of the Lord's Prayer.

    Steven Groene left the courtroom just before the video was played. Before he did he approached some spectators, angrily motioning them out and making an obscene gesture when they stayed put. At one point he threatened to make a citizen's arrest of anyone watching, saying viewing child pornography is a crime.

    Once the video had been shown and he returned to the courtroom, Groene confronted some of those who had stayed, asking bitterly if they enjoyed it.

    The prosecution's last witness was a man who testified that Duncan had raped him at gunpoint in 1980, when the man was just 14 years old. Parts of the story seemed similar to some of Duncan's videotaped abuse of Dylan.

    The Associated Press' policy generally does not identify victims of sexual assault. In Shasta and Dylan Groene's cases, however, the search for the children was so heavily publicized that their names are widely known.

    After the prosecution rested, Duncan told the court he wanted to testify, but when took the witness stand he said he only wanted to answer any questions that government lawyers might have. They were unable to cross-examine him, however, because court rules generally prohibit questioning a defendant about anything that wasn't raised in the defendant's direct testimony.

    Duncan said he had no other witnesses to call.

    Jurors were given instructions Thursday afternoon and are expected to hear closing arguments on Friday morning before they begin deliberations, Lodge said.

    If the jury finds Duncan is ineligible for the death penalty, the hearing will be over and he will be sentenced to life in prison without parole.

    If the panel finds him eligible for capital punishment, the hearing will enter a second phase in which the government will try to convince the jury that Duncan should be executed while he will be able to present evidence to try to convince the jury that his life should be spared

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    Damn, thats really disturbing :/

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    that is the single strongest supporting article for the death penalty i have ever seen. anyone who doesnt think this phsyco deserves death is insane in their own right.

    i have always been strongly for the death penalty, and cases like this only convince me further it is nessacary.

    this man is way to crazy to see prison as a punishment, or any kind of confinement either. he is obviously way beyond treatment, and the only reason he could have felt remorse when those videos were played in court is that he is sorry he was caught, not sorry for what he did.

    of all the things my tax dollars are wasted on, this would be one of the most unnaceptable. to feed and shelter him for the rest of his life in prison is something i would never be willing to pay for. the only thing i would be willing to pay for for this sicko is a bullet through the brain.
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    Oh doggone it, I just read about this guy this morning at work.

    He needs to die.

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    Death penalty should be available for serial killers whose crimes are based on hard facts such as this video.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    Death penalty should be available for serial killers whose crimes are based on hard facts such as this video.
    Seconded.
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    This man does deserve imprisonment for live but not the death penalty as it is obvious that his brain is not working properly. He is insane simply as that.
    Killing him for beeing insane would be euthanasia
    Killing him to save money which would be "wasted" by imprisoning him is going back to Nazi standards.

    He deserves treatment and imprisonment nothing more nothing less. It's the logical consequence of his deeds and the only one we can justify.
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    Default Re: The devil is here, boy.

    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    This man does deserve imprisonment for live but not the death penalty as it is obvious that his brain is not working properly. He is insane simply as that.
    Killing him for beeing insane would be euthanasia
    Killing him to save money which would be "wasted" by imprisoning him is going back to Nazi standards.

    He deserves treatment and imprisonment nothing more nothing less. It's the logical consequence of his deeds and the only one we can justify.
    He must be brought to justice for his actions- and arguing over whether he is insane or not is a waste, as clearly anyone who would commit such horrendous crimes would be, by anyones standards, imbalanced, irrational, perverse, an ill mind. He therefore, gets a pass, gets our sympathy on what hes done, simply by the virtue of what it took him to do it. No. He will die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SorelusImperion View Post
    Killing him to save money which would be "wasted" by imprisoning him is going back to Nazi standards.

    He deserves treatment and imprisonment nothing more nothing less. It's the logical consequence of his deeds and the only one we can justify.
    One of the biggest myths regarding the Death penalty in America is that it saves money because it removes the need to imprison them for life.

    This is false. the legal costs involved in allowing the U.S state to legally murder someone are absolutely astronomical. We are talking millions per case. Each case normally takes decades and countless appeals before it is settled and the offender is killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medi Rapper View Post
    One of the biggest myths regarding the Death penalty in America is that it saves money because it removes the need to imprison them for life.

    This is false. the legal costs involved in allowing the U.S state to legally murder someone are absolutely astronomical. We are talking millions per case. Each case normally takes decades and countless appeals before it is settled and the offender is killed.
    It only costs more because people keep appealing. The real execution method costs less than, oh, about $3. Bullets are cheap.

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    Anyway, Im wondering though why is there so many child molesters in USA?


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    It's a pity he'll die quickly.

    There's no more or no less child molestors in the US than any other country in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorkshireman View Post
    It's a pity he'll die quickly.
    indeed. I say let him rot in a jail cell by himself for the rest of his life
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    I googled the guys name and I found his blog
    can't post it here cus' it contains some pretty sick and disturbing NSFW stuff!







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    Anyway, Im wondering though why is there so many child molesters in USA?
    Because we have 300 million people...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Because we have 300 million people...
    And not being racist or anything but according to my observation it seems that the majority of child molesters in USA are white men. :hmmm:


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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    And not being racist or anything but according to my observation it seems that the majority of child molesters in USA are white men. :hmmm:
    And the majority of child molestors in Africa are black men. Not being racist or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    And not being racist or anything but according to my observation it seems that the majority of child molesters in USA are white men. :hmmm:
    Read this:
    "The devil is here, boy, the devil himself. The demon couldn't do what the devil sent him to do so the devil came himself," Duncan yells in one video. "The devil likes to watch children suffer and cry."
    Obviously racism was no factor in this crime. Religion and the murderers relation to it seems to be a far greater part. Most probably he was part of a strongly religious community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    And not being racist or anything but according to my observation it seems that the majority of child molesters in USA are white men. :hmmm:
    Given the number of white males in the country compared to say black males...why would that be a surprise? White males tend to make up serial killers too. And while its not strictly child molestation, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Iceland(!) has a higher per cap rate of rape then the US....south africa of course being the worst and UK only 3 slots behind the US.
    Last edited by danzig; August 21, 2008 at 09:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jankren View Post
    And not being racist or anything but according to my observation it seems that the majority of child molesters in USA are white men. :hmmm:
    There are LOTS of recent examples of female school teachers molesting their students. You probably just haven't heard about them, altho yes, the majority of molesters are male. As far as being white, well, again, whites are much more numerous than others.

    If you are implying that white men are predisposed towards that, I guess you would think that black men then are genetically superior than whites? Which, of course, is just as silly as saying they are inferior.
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