Who really killed President Kennedy?

[RVFVS]

Who did it? Was it the Mob? The conservative politicians? Maybe even Castro? Also does anyone see a resemblance between the Grachhi brothers and the Kennedy brothers?

[Markas]

No... a disgruntled failed KGB wannabe shot him with a rifle.

[Pallantides]

that Hal Turner fellow killed him!

[Viking Prince]

No... a disgruntled failed KGB wannabe shot him with a rifle.

Agreed -- more importantly for those who have other ideas -- This is the simple explanation for the facts available. No need to what if. No need to state conspiracy without clear proof. No need to make things more complicated to then claim it is so confusing that there must be a more complicated explanation.

To the OP -- why bother asking this question without so reason? If you are curious -- use Google or Wiki (or actually read one of the hundreds of books on the topic).

[Zuwxiv]

Any high-profile death is suspicious, and there are some things about the killing that seem unlikely...

That said, the most plausible solution stands. The evidence suggests it, it's the simplest and most supported explaination... Occam's razor is generally correct.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy from the book depository warehouse.

[Admiral Piett]

Any high-profile death is suspicious, and there are some things about the killing that seem unlikely...

That said, the most plausible solution stands. The evidence suggests it, it's the simplest and most supported explaination... Occam's razor is generally correct.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy from the book depository warehouse.

No, it is forensically impossible. I've been to the Book Depository in Dealey Plaza in Dallas. There's a big Texas live oak right in the middle of the supposed shooting trajectory. Texas live oaks don't shed their leaves until March... It has remained there unchanged since the 60s.

Also, a bolt action rifle cannot shoot two shots right on top of each other. According to the Zapruder film of the assassination, the shot that went through Kennedy's throat and Governor Connelly's back and the kill shot came very close to one another. There was also a third gunshot victim who was struck in the cheek by a fragment, he was by the bridge at least over a 100ft away from the vehicle.

Multiple witnesses there reported gun smoke from the grassy knoll and that there were at least 4 shots, some even reported 6, not 3.

Also, the supposed rifle that Oswald used had no prints on it until after Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby. That was confirmed by the FBI.

1. Lt. Day said he could still see the print on the barrel AFTER he lifted it. In fact, he said it was so visible that he thought it was the FBI's "best bet" in terms of fingerprint evidence on the rifle (4 H 261). Yet, when the rifle was examined just hours later by the FBI's Sebastian Latona, not only did Latona find no prints on the barrel, partial or otherwise, but he found no evidence that the barrel had even been processed for prints. So, what happened to the print that Day said remained visible on the rifle after lifting? And why did Latona find no evidence that the barrel had even been processed for prints?

http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/id113.htm

It's very likely that a palm print can be taken from Oswald's body at the morgue. Not hard to do.

There's truckloads of facts that point away from Oswald even firing a rifle that day and that he did not even own one of that model. Back in the 60s, anyone can get a rifle in Texas.

Also the so-called magic bullet theory does not hold up. A bullet cannot travel through a collar bone, a human neck, a rib-cage twice, and through a human cadabra and end be in pristine condition. That bullet would have been flattened like a pancake.

Leaving out the other proposed theories about what really happened, Oswald simply could not do the shooting. It is impossible.

I'm not big on conspiracies, but the facts do seem to point in that direction.

[KoS]

Any high-profile death is suspicious, and there are some things about the killing that seem unlikely...

That said, the most plausible solution stands. The evidence suggests it, it's the simplest and most supported explaination... Occam's razor is generally correct.

Lee Harvey Oswald shot John F. Kennedy from the book depository warehouse.

Agreed.

The final shooter was his own driver, William Greer.

Hate to argue with you, Arrrgh, but unless you're kidding, that is completely incorrect. Greer was an Irish immigrant and the oldest member of the White House Secret Service detail. The image that appears to be a gun in his hand in frame 312 of the Zapruder film is in fact the sunlight shining from his hair as he looks back at Kennedy at the precise moment of the headshot.

Also does anyone see a resemblance between the Grachhi brothers and the Kennedy brothers?

Hmmm... never thought about that before... if you replace grain distribution with civil rights as to the issue they were killed over, it pretty much makes sense... :hmmm:

[Sharrow]

Now am not huge on conspiracies and was burned by Oliver Stone's 'film'.

BUT

I have never heard of someone being shot in the back of the head and flying backwards towards the direction of impact. Would seem to be interesting physics, that. Now if there was a second or third shooter then
that would explain it.

I don't doubt Oswald was involved but there are quite alot of unanswered questions here.

Whoever did it a great President went down and the Vietnam escalation was the result.

[Viking Prince]

Now am not huge on conspiracies and was burned by Oliver Stone's 'film'.

BUT

I have never heard of someone being shot in the back of the head and flying backwards towards the direction of impact. Would seem to be interesting physics, that. Now if there was a second or third shooter then
that would explain it.

I don't doubt Oswald was involved but there are quite alot of unanswered questions here.

Whoever did it a great President went down and the Vietnam escalation was the result.

Just an obvious observation from the report -- the driver sped up upon sensing danger.

@Future Filmmaker

Re-enactments cannot be construed as evidence in support. You have to construct a re-enactment with the end result in mind from the beginning. Otherwise you'll get varying results.

Yes, re-enactments are evidence -- evidence of what is possible to have happened. Remember, most of the critics go conspiracy because they believe it could not have happened as reported. No proof -- just belief. The reenactment debunks these arguments.

[boofhead]

I don't know. I've never seen anyone shot in real life but plenty on vid. When I see the assassination vid it does seem as though JFK is hit from two different directions, just from the way his body reacts to the impacts.

[Quink.NL]

You've got to be completely numb in the brain to think it was not a conspiracy. It's pretty obvious.

Just another fine example of proof:

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=XY02Qkuc_f8

[Oswald von Wolkenstein]

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[Captain Blackadder]

A man by the name of Lee Harvey Oswald killed him I know how this could seem strange to some people.

Also the one bullet theory is completely plausible unless you get all your information from JFK

Here is a report from a re-enactment of the shooting

REENACTMENT OF THE WOUNDING OF GOVERNOR CONNALLY (FRAME 224). As
with any study of small photographs (movie frames), it is desirable
to try to verify the findings by duplicating the situation as
closely as possible, using the exact same type of rifle,
cartridges, clothing, necks, ribs and radiuses, as at Dallas. In an
attempt to verify and study this phenomenon further, a duplication
of President Kennedy's size 16 neck and of Governor Connally's
chest and jacket were tested to see exactly what would happen. A
size 16 neck simulation was created, using fresh pork muscle, with
the bone removed and the skin still in place. A rack was prepared
to hold a rib cage at a distance of 24 inches from the Kennedy
neck. A white dress shirt and tropical worsted jacket were placed
over the rib cage on a special rack. A necktie was tied in place to
simulate the clothing Governor Connally wore at the time of the
shooting in Dallas. An array of radiuses (arm bones), encased in
simulated forearms, was arranged in front of the right lapel of
Governor Connally and a bullet trap was mounted beyond this array.
Bullets of the Western Cartridge Company 6.5 millimeter ammunition
of the same lots used by Lee Harvey Oswald were fired from a
Carcano carbine exactly like the one used by Oswald. We knew from
our previous experiments that our test bullets would almost certainly "tumble"
and would strike our "Governor Connally back" at about the point
where he was actually struck. Our test bullet also struck a rib
(just as in Governor Connally), removing 4.5 centimeters of the rib
and exited in the area that would have been under his right nipple.
The flying fragments of rib, marrow and soft tissue, accompanying
the exiting, tumbling bullet, caused a large ragged hole in the
shirt and the jacket lining and plastered them with fragments of
rib and soft tissue, just as in the Governor's instance. The bullet
exited under the right lapel, still tumbling, making a 3 centimeter
transverse bullet wound in the cloth. It then struck one of the
forearms arrayed in front of the jacket. The bullet was captured in
a bullet trap beyond this point. A videotape of the motion of the
jacket was obtained, along with frames from a rapid-firing 35
millimeter camera. These revealed that the jacket bulged out about
6 inches and then snapped back. The lapel flipped over against the
neck area. The forward motion of the bulging jacket was completed
in 3/30th of a second, whereupon the backward snap began on our
static model. This was completed by 16/30th of a second from the
shot. After this, the jacket and lapel were again back in normal
position. While the rib and soft tissue fragments caused a large
ragged wound in the shirt, just as described in Governor Connally's
shirt, the exit hole of the bullet in the front of the jacket was
elongated to a length of 3 centimeters (almost exactly the length
of the tumbling bullet). The large shirt wound and the bulge of the
jacket were more related to the hail of fragments of rib and soft
tissue. The bullet then struck one of the radiuses mounted in front
of the jacket. The bullet from this experiment was flattened on one
side and bent from hitting the rib and radius while traveling
sideways, just as bullet 399 was flattened and bent for the same
reasons (399 is definitely not "pristine"). Lead extruded from the
rear of our bullet as with bullet 399. The radius was fractured and
tiny fragments of lead were left adherent to the periosteum,
exactly as in Governor Connally. One of the most dependable
features of this Kennedy and Connally mockup was the characteristic
manner in which these Carcano bullets turned sideways (tumbled)
after exiting the neck of Kennedy.

THE BULLET MUST TRAVERSE THE NECK OF JOHN F. KENNEDY FIRST OR NO
JACKET BULGE OCCURS. In an effort to determine what would happen if
the bullet did *not* go through the neck of Kennedy first, but hit
Connally primarily, we fired a bullet through our Connally jacket
and thorax preparation without running it through the model of
Kennedy's neck first, so it did not tumble. The jacket did *not*
bulge out and the lapel did *not* turn over. The shirt collar
flipped briefly. With the bullet going straight ahead, wounds to
the rib, shirt and jacket were punctate and the rib fragments
were not enough to bulge out the front of the jacket. This made
it seem even more likely that bullet 399 had gone through the
neck of President Kennedy first, turned sideways and caused the
very obvious jacket and lapel distortions, which we have
recorded herein and which occur in frame 224. If the bullet did
*not* go through the neck of Kennedy first, the jacket bulge and
lapel flap did *not* occur.

SUMMARY

By duplicating the wound to the neck of President Kennedy, which
caused bullet 399 to turn sideways, and having it *then* hit a
Connally-type rib cage with shirt and jacket, we reproduced the
right-sided bulge of the jacket worn by Connally, with lapel
eversion, which is so significant in frame 224. The extensive
damage to his shirtfront was from the hail of rib fragments and
soft tissue, exactly as described with his own shirt. Our tumbling
bullet then went on to fracture a radius and be recovered intact
except that it was somewhat flattened and bent and had lead
extruded from the rear, as did bullet 399. Fragments of this lead
were scraped off on the ragged bone-ends of some of our fractured
radiuses, just as with Governor Connally's radius. It is believed
that this duplication of the jacket and lapel bulge of Governor
Connally, which occurred dependably, when we reproduced the
circumstances at Dallas, confirmed this very important detail in
this technical demonstration of the findings in the shooting of
President Kennedy and Governor Connally.

The bulge and the lapel eversion of the jacket worn by Governor
Connally, starting in Zapruder frame 224, does indeed establish,
beyond any shadow of a doubt, the exact moment when bullet 399 went
through him. The right arms of both men were seen to react
simultaneously, immediately thereafter. It also permits us to
establish that there was plenty of time (three and one-half
seconds) between the first two shots (frames 160 to 224) and even
more time (five seconds) between the last two shots (frames 224 to
313), for Oswald to reload, reacquire the target (the head of
President Kennedy) plus two full seconds to lock onto it. If the
bullet does not traverse the neck of President Kennedy, it does not
cause Governor Connally's jacket and lapel to bulge. The lapel
bulge is a very important bit of actual physical evidence in
establishing the fact that one bullet hit both men and that Oswald
had plenty of time to hit the President, first in the neck and then
in the head. These experiments confirm the mechanism of the lapel
bulge and the behavior of the bullet.

So sorry for the wall of text but it is physically possible for one bullet to do what the "magic bullet" theory says it did.

[Admiral Piett]

Re-enactments cannot be construed as evidence in support. You have to construct a re-enactment with the end result in mind from the beginning. Otherwise you'll get varying results.

[Captain Arrrgh!]

There were more than one shooter, of which E Howard Hunt was one, as verified by his own death bed tapes given to his son, St. John Hunt. The final shooter was his own driver, William Greer.

[Markas]

A good docu debunking some of the more obvious flaws in conspiracy theorists ranting-

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...+kennedy&hl=en

Lee-Harvey Oswald was such an interesting guy I find it hard to believe he didn't do it. He was not the bland patsy some would have us think.

[Giuliano Taverna]

Lee Harvey Oswald killed Kennedy, alone and by himself... Interestingly however he got a suitcase full of money from a mob associate the day before, and records were seized and destroyed after. But Lee was the person who killed Kennedy, no second shot, no second person, no grassy knoll. Now as to what was going on behind the scene's, that is less certain. Kennedy has quite a lot of enemies, powerful ones at that.

[Каие]

[Admiral Piett]

He wasn't a bland patsy, but he was a mediocre shot at best. Not to mention, as I explained already, there's a giant Live Oak TREE in front of the shooting trajectory from the book depository.

Jack Ruby, the mob man who killed Oswald, said very clearly that there was a conspiracy and was about to have a re-trial when he was himself killed.

Here is a picture about where Oswald was looking down at Elm where the trajectory supposedly was.




It's impossible. Even if Oswald was lucky with the final head shot, he could not have fired the first two shots through the tree - striking JFK through the neck and supposedly wounding Governor Connolly over 5 times.



A link to the Zapruder film, but as a very strong warning - this is very graphic footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G_Zx...eature=related

I only provide the link to prove the fact that the shooting came from different directions.

[Каие]

Bull crap Oswald was a fantastic shooter the Marine Corps, scoring 48/50 in shooting. Secondly he was standing on some boxes.