Why are we supporting the Georgians?

[Santini]

... isn't the agressor usually the bad guy?
So why the hell are we continuing to supply georgian soldiers with everything from training to MARPAT bdu's?
Even Israel has stopped shipping them weapons. Why do we continue to support this little Nazi wanna be state?

[Winter]

... isn't the agressor usually the bad guy?
So why the hell are we continuing to supply georgian soldiers with everything from training to MARPAT bdu's?
Even Israel has stopped shipping them weapons. Why do we continue to support this little Nazi wanna be state?

Because they aren't a little Nazi wannabe state. You need to stop watching all that propaganda from Moscow.

[attilavolciak07]

Here we ago again.


Israel stopped because Russia was going to stop sending them fuel.

[Forve]

Maybe because, they just want their country united again? and russian troops are still occupying most of Georgian land despite the promise of Medvedev to withdraw.

[Santini]

I'm sorry, but any country that spends 70% of it's budget on its military is quite ed up. And how does calling me a mindless follower of moscow propoganda in any way refute my argument?

[Roman Legate]

I'm sorry, but any country that spends 70% of it's budget on its military is quite ed up. And how does calling me a mindless follower of moscow propoganda in any way refute my argument?

it means your a mindless follower of moscow because GEORGIA was attacked, not Russia. Propoganda is being sent out by moscow to justify their actions and make it look like the Georgians where the agressors. Has anyone heard that Russia attacked a civillian area with no military garrissons. It is a Unjust war that russia has started. Unfortunatley russia is still semi-strong, America doesnt want conflict so all we can do is ban them from certain trade groups, and if needed, their rights to hold the next winter olimpics. It seems as if you guys dont know about the cold war. Russia wants to re-assert itseelf as a world power after the fall of the solviet union, and is trying to use its old scare tactics to regain its power by making a example of georgia.

.Czar bursts in in 3,2,1 boom





South Ossetia is an internal affiar of Georgia and Russia has no business in it.

I can agree with that.

Because Russia conflicts US National interests, it`s not about Georgia or Ossetia, this is just dickwaving and politics. Best not to read into it too much before the hordes of flag wavers start moaning about Georgian freedom and Russian aggression. For your sanity just forget about it.

sorry for the double post but...

listen to yourself you actually said "Best not to read into it too much " if we dont, what will we know, what would you excpect us to believe? What you said was either very stupid or you didnt say what you meant to say.

ehh. America only cares about Georgia because one of the largets pipe lines in the wolrd goes through Georgia.

Its idiots like you that say all america does is for its own self intrest. I bet you havent done any of your own resaerch into the Iraq war or the war between georgia and russia. If you want to have a opinion YOU should look into it and make YOUR OWN desicions, because if you do you will see that America doesnt just want the oil. I must admit the oil is a important factor. It is for Eouropean nations and NATO to.

[Santini]

Maybe because, they just want their country united again? and russian troops are still occupying most of Georgian land despite the promise of Medvedev to withdraw.

Ossetia has since 1989 had no desire to be a part of Georgia...

[Holger Danske]

Ossetia has since 1989 had no desire to be a part of Georgia...

It has not been recognized by the international community, Hence the region is Georgian and thus Georgia had the rights to do what they did. The only argument the Russians could ever have used was that they where protecting their ''peacekeepers''.. However this argument has been proven to have little to no relevence.

Russia had basicly set up a trap for Georgia and timed it all well. Now had Georgia been a NATO country the Russians would never had dared to do what they're doing now...

[Forve]

Ossetia has since 1989 had no desire to be a part of Georgia...

So what?? It was Georgian land since... (I cann't even remember since when) if they want independence they can move to north ossetia and leave Georgian land alone

[wilpuri]

Why are we supporting the Georgians?

Because you do what you're told.

[ivan_the_terrible]

Because you do what you're told.

HA!

[Insurgent]

It's unclear why the US is supporting the Georgians so much. Maybe they just want to harass their Russian rivals.

Georgia aren't saints either- they more or less brought this on themselves occupying another nation.

[Fianóglach]

Because Russia conflicts US National interests, it`s not about Georgia or Ossetia, this is just dickwaving and politics. Best not to read into it too much before the hordes of flag wavers start moaning about Georgian freedom and Russian aggression. For your sanity just forget about it.

[attilavolciak07]

Because Russia conflicts US National interests, it`s not about Georgia or Ossetia, this is just dickwaving and politics. Best not to read into it too much before the hordes of flag wavers start moaning about Georgian freedom and Russian aggression. For your sanity just forget about it.

You have grown to be my rival, now.

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[Sphere]

ehh. America only cares about Georgia because one of the largets pipe lines in the wolrd goes through Georgia.


Its idiots like you that say all america does is for its own self intrest. I bet you havent done any of your own resaerch into the Iraq war or the war between georgia and russia. If you want to have a opinion YOU should look into it and make YOUR OWN desicions, because if you do you will see that America doesnt just want the oil. I must admit the oil is a important factor. It is for European nations and NATO to.

Umm.... unless you know of another way of getting Caspian oil to the market without going through Russia, oil is the key motivation. Western support of Georgia is all about maintaining the flow of crude oil through the two existing pipelines (a third one is being installed) and the flow of natural gas through the one existing line. (there was also some oil transported by rail, but Russian bombing has put a stop to that.)

Hell, before the Georgia route was available the US tried to cut a deal with the Taleban to make a route through Afghanistan. A taleban delegation actually came to Washington DC to discuss it.

Energy supply is the key behind western support of Georgia. All the democracy crap is fluff.

[Roman Legate]

Umm.... unless you know of another way of getting Caspian oil to the market without going through Russia, oil is the key motivation. Western support of Georgia is all about maintaining the flow of crude oil through the two existing pipelines (a third one is being installed) and the flow of natural gas through the one existing line. (there was also some oil transported by rail, but Russian bombing has put a stop to that.)

Hell, before the Georgia route was available the US tried to cut a deal with the Taleban to make a route through Afghanistan. A taleban delegation actually came to Washington DC to discuss it.

Energy supply is the key behind western support of Georgia. All the democracy crap is fluff.

as i said, it is important, but not the only reason America wants a russian withdrawl. My personal opinion about oil and how to get it isnt through other nations, but off shore drilling.

[BoJaN]

Because Russia conflicts US National interests, it`s not about Georgia or Ossetia, this is just dickwaving and politics. Best not to read into it too much before the hordes of flag wavers start moaning about Georgian freedom and Russian aggression. For your sanity just forget about it.

How has Russia used overwhelming force?

U.S completely crippled Iraq. Nato destroyed Serbia and its civilian structures. Russia forces during the initial conflict occupied strategic position around SO and Az. These statements don't make sense. If an enemy attacks you, should you send the same force in as them? Probably not if you could muster as much armed personnel as you can. Russia is not going around destroying Georgian cities and the capital is completely untouched. Stop over exaggerating the issue.

The only argument the Russians could ever have used was that they where protecting their ''peacekeepers''.. However this argument has been proven to have little to no relevence.

Russia had basicly set up a trap for Georgia and timed it all well. Now had Georgia been a NATO country the Russians would never had dared to do what they're doing now...

How is the peacekeepers event irrelevant? To western media, yes, but it a hell of a good reason for Russia's counter attack.

Politics is full of traps. Every country is trying to screw another, over resources...etc. Georgia was stupid enough to ingauge in such a dumb attempt at getting world sympathy. Yeah good luck getting into NATO now. Russia is important to Europe, Europe is not as important to Russia.

There is no good guy bad guy here you s. (pardon the language, but all these emotional users are getting out of hand)

Besides this is the real reason for the Georgian support. Not that difficult to understand since the world revolves around money.

[Holger Danske]

Because they are a legitimate democracy that has been attacked by Russia in a desperate attempt to hang on to some of the lost influence and hope of a resurrection of the good ol' Soviet era... They're basicly pissing on NATO, and if Georgia had been a member the Russians would never had done what they have done... And because Russia obviously has no intentions of keep the aggrements they themselves have accepted.

[Santini]

Because they are a legitimate democracy that has been attacked by Russia in a desperate attempt to hang on to some of the lost influence and hope of a resurrection of the good ol' Soviet era... They're basicly pissing on NATO, and if Georgia had been a member the Russians would never had done what they have done... And because Russia obviously has no intentions of keep the aggrements they themselves have accepted.

Dude, Georgia opened up a huge ground invasion unannounced with devestating effects on the civilian population. Just because they have the magical "D" word doesn't make them ing right.

[Mikelus Trento]

Because they are a legitimate democracy that has been attacked by Russia in a desperate attempt to hang on to some of the lost influence and hope of a resurrection of the good ol' Soviet era... They're basicly pissing on NATO, and if Georgia had been a member the Russians would never had done what they have done... And because Russia obviously has no intentions of keep the aggrements they themselves have accepted.

Do you work for the US government?