Independence for Ossetia, all of Ossetia...

[Farnan]

I think North and South Ossetia should be granted independence and form the Republic of Alania.

Why? Obviously the people consider themselves distinct and South Ossetia wants independence. However, South Ossetia, a region of 70,000 of which Russian funds amount to 60% of their economy, with the rest substinence farming and trade with Georgia, cannot survive on its own. However, North Ossetia which has 700,000 people and a well developed economy can. By putting them together you can create a viable state in the Caucasus for the people. Adding South Ossetia to Russia is out of the question, so this seems to be the best deal for the Ossetian people.

[Ahlerich]

did u ask north ossetia how they feel about this?

[Farnan]

Well either that or South Ossetia remains part of Georgia (albeit an autonomous region).

Mostly they want united with South Ossetia.

[Baron Vlad Felix]

Are ou living there?...Are you Alan?....:hmmm:

[Farnan]

Are ou living there?...Are you Alan?....:hmmm:

Are you Georgian? Are you Abkhazian? Are you Kosovor?

South Ossetia cannot survive on its own, they have no economy beyond money Russia gives it. If South Ossetia becomes part of Russia then this war was a land grab.

[S.P.Q.R. Praetorian]

I think the Ossetians should be the subjects of the Georgians again. As someone said, why is everybody mad at Georgia for invading their own territory?

[alhoon]

Farnan: North Ossetia never said they wanted independance.

[Farnan]

Farnan: North Ossetia never said they wanted independance.

But you can't give South Ossetia independence by itself, it is unsustainable as a nation. Once Russia stops pumping money (aka when its no longer needed to c0mbat Georgia) in it it will collapse completely. However, an Ossetian Republic can sustain itself.

[Mythos]

But you can't give South Ossetia independence by itself, it is unsustainable as a nation. Once Russia stops pumping money (aka when its no longer needed to c0mbat Georgia) in it it will collapse completely. However, an Ossetian Republic can sustain itself.

You got it wrong. S. Ossetia requested to join N. Ossetia, not independence. This means defacto absoption into the Russian federation and the Ossetians know it. Russia has a bog number of ethnicities living in its territory with few, if any problems. Besides, the Ossetians have historically been a subject people of the Georgians and their territory has been occupied by them. The Georgians don't deserve it. They tried to conquer it by force twice. Once when the SU collapsed and now. The first time, the Ossetians and Abghazians fought for their freedom. Now, Russia helped them and since it had the chance it took out the nationalistic, corrupt and genocidal regime of Saakashvili. If anyone is going for the landgrab it's the Georgians. Russia has enough land already.

Seems, the Georgians have a natural affinity for genocide. First Stalin, now this fellow. And you know what? This shows once again that the Americans will support madmen, dictators and fanatics to achieve their foreign objectives. You are really good at outsourcing. Including outsourcing your dirty business so you can keep your clean image. Mind the rotten inside...

[Giorgos]

You got it wrong. S. Ossetia requested to join N. Ossetia, not independence. This means defacto absoption into the Russian federation and the Ossetians know it. Russia has a bog number of ethnicities living in its territory with few, if any problems. Besides, the Ossetians have historically been a subject people of the Georgians and their territory has been occupied by them. The Georgians don't deserve it. They tried to conquer it by force twice. Once when the SU collapsed and now. The first time, the Ossetians and Abghazians fought for their freedom. Now, Russia helped them and since it had the chance it took out the nationalistic, corrupt and genocidal regime of Saakashvili. If anyone is going for the landgrab it's the Georgians. Russia has enough land already.

Seems, the Georgians have a natural affinity for genocide. First Stalin, now this fellow. And you know what? This shows once again that the Americans will support madmen, dictators and fanatics to achieve their foreign objectives. You are really good at outsourcing. Including outsourcing your dirty business so you can keep your clean image. Mind the rotten inside...

This. But you know, major powers always outsource their dirty business. Russians included. They are no saints.

[Baron Vlad Felix]

What f............ I am only asking You,where are you from....I se you know things just like you are from Ossetia.
Are you Georgian? Are you Abkhazian? Are you Kosovor?
I am Taliban from North Korea..

[Farnan]

What f............ I am only asking You,where are you from....I se you know things just like you are from Ossetia.
Are you Georgian? Are you Abkhazian? Are you Kosovor?
I am Taliban from North Korea..

Oh thought you were trying to insult me, I am sorry.

However, I support independence for South Ossetia (while deploring Russian action to get it), however, I don't see it surving independently due to its economy.

I think a referendum asking North and South Ossetians if they want to be united as an independent nation (though perhaps in a Bhutan/India situation with Russia) would be the best, with the alternate with South Ossetia as an Autonomous Region of Georgia (runs its own internal affairs, but external affairs governed by Georgia).

Really South Ossetia is complex. I believe they should be given independence, but under no circumstance be added to Russia. However, I honestly can see it surviving independently, and if only South Ossetia was indpendent it will still have the problem of lack of unity with North Ossetia.

[Enemy of the State]

I agree with Farnan's proposal. This, or South Ossetia gets autonomy within Georgia. Russia certainly has no right to invade and annex the province.

[Valentin the II]

Why dont we make th south osetians vote?
Either remain with Georgia, become independent or join Russia.
Imo, the best for them would be choice 3. But Im an evil russian comie, so please ignore my banter.

[Panzerbear]

it is quite obvious that IT IS UP TO THE SOUTH OSSETIANS TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

frankly, my predicition is the following: (fast-forward to 10 years from now) Abkhazia is a small independent state with friendly ties to Russia. South Ossetia is a Russian protectorate (similar to US Guam, for example). both countries will keep terrible relations with Georgia.

[Farnan]

it is quite obvious that IT IS UP TO THE SOUTH OSSETIANS TO DECIDE WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

frankly, my predicition is the following: (fast-forward to 10 years from now) Abkhazia is a small independent state with friendly ties to Russia. South Ossetia is a Russian protectorate (similar to US Guam, for example).

South Ossetia as part of Russia is a huge no, as no one would accept it. South Ossetia as an independent state I say won't happen as it can't survive on its own and it is still divided from North Ossetia.

Also, Guam is not a protectorate, it is a territory. The Northern Mariana Islands are the closest to what you're thinking, but they have a sustainable economy, unlike South Ossetia.

Really a referendum should be taken throughout Osseitia, but the two real options are: South Ossetia as an Autonomous region of Georgia and a DMZ, or South Ossetia and North Ossetia as an independent Republic.

[clandestino]

I'm against dismembering of any states, especialy small ones like Georgia; Abkhazia and S.Osetia are parts of Georgia and they should remain parts of Georgia, but Georgiaan goverment should seriously reconsider it's attitude to Russia, if Georgians wan't to reincorporate S.Osetia and Abkhazia into Georgia they have to cooperate with Russia not with USA and NATO. Main reason why Abkazia and Osetia are resisting to Georgia is the Russian support they receive, and Russia is supporting them cause Georgia is flerting with NATO, only logical thing is that Georgia multilateraly commit that it will remain neutral and for return Russia should stop support Abkhazian and Osetian separatists.

[Panzerbear]

see, the problem is that there IS NO CHANCE IN HELL that any sane Ossetian would want to stay in Georgia right now. you wont be able to persuade them at all, after all the things Georgians done to them.

just think about it for a minute. both South Ossetia and Abkhazia are already goners. its almost a fact now. and what is it that they want to do with their independence I think it is up to them to decide. they should have a national referendum and all people should decide what they want to do - either become separate countries or ask Russia to accept them into their federation. I personally would be fine with either outcome.

and why do you think South Ossetia can not support itself? this is complete BS. there are smaller countries in Europe (like Luxemburg) that have no problems doing so. needless to say, it is usually warm in South Ossetia, so they can concentrate on food and wine exports, for example.

[attilavolciak07]

and why do you think South Ossetia can not support itself? this is complete BS. there are smaller countries in Europe (like Luxemburg) that have no problems doing so. needless to say, it is usually warm in South Ossetia, so they can concentrate on food and wine exports, for example.

True, Luxembourg is the richest country in the world!

[Panzerbear]

True, Luxembourg is the richest country in the world!

my point exactly. size does matter, but it is not everything .