US: Our True Calling is Global Capitalism, Not Military Power

**Cicero2** · August 20, 2008, 04:11 AM

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/9...and_the_u.s._/
http://duckofminerva.blogspot.com/20...ask-force.html

A must read for any bloke claiming to be a genuine true capitalist

Why can't we go back to the old "spread capitalism" montra we're so good at. Thats where true American Power is, Big macs and TV.

Instead for the last 8 years we've been on this whole Conquer the world garbage that only hurt our standing.

Capitalism is the best way to spread freedom, (look at west europe after WW2), not militarily invading countries.

We spread capitalism = more prosperous = more money = better technology = edge over everybody else in the world.

Georgia let the Russians have'em. We'll convert the Russians with our economy, not army. As long as we spread capitalism, we have a hand over them.
Thats where true American Power is and always be.

Bush and McCain are idiots, their hot to go to war and confrontational, but fail to realize it doesn't accomplish

. Just look at the last 8 years of failed policy after failed policy.

ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID!

**~~attilavolciak07~~** · August 20, 2008, 04:17 AM

If I were America, I would focus more on your military, your economy is getting weak. The euro is overpowered the dollar and the Chinese are on the rise.

**Cicero2** · August 20, 2008, 04:22 AM

Its weak because we're spending more on Iraq and Afghanistan instead of helping California and other states.

Imagine if the war money was spent on technology or infastructure, we wouldn't have a deficit, Dollar problem.

**FirstManOnTheMoon** · August 20, 2008, 04:36 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero2

Its weak because we're spending more on Iraq and Afghanistan instead of helping California and other states.

Imagine if the war money was spent on technology or infastructure, we wouldn't have a deficit, Dollar problem.

Helping out California... I can smeeeelll communism there... A true capitalist helps out no-one.

On a serious note, America's cultural influence has been massive in the second half of the century. However, it's power is declining, and so has its cultural influence.

**~~attilavolciak07~~** · August 20, 2008, 04:32 AM

True

**Ragabash** · August 20, 2008, 04:34 AM

And how exactly are you planning to spread "freedom" with your capilastic economical model?

By using superior economy against smaller countries or threaten to embargo them; well, U.S.A like many other countries do that all the time around the world. And as far as I know most of the 21:st countries have already accepted global capitalism as part of their economical model.

**Andrew87** · August 20, 2008, 04:38 AM

I get it !

Instead of bombs you throw big macs and tv's so in a few years your enemies will be too fat and dumb to fight you.

Brilliant

**Cicero2** · August 20, 2008, 05:25 AM

right now our propaganda machine is to spread "freedom" around the world. Well everyone know thats

. Just a synonym for American imperialism. Thats why countries like Russia and 'em feel justified in their actions.

The world liked us more when we were trying to build McDonalds' in their country not a military bases.

**Dunecat** · August 20, 2008, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew87

I get it !

Instead of bombs you throw big macs and tv's so in a few years your enemies will be too fat and dumb to fight you.

Brilliant

I'm too busy watching the McDonalds-sponsored Olympics to respond.

Be back after I vomit (from the Big Mac or the Olympic hoo-hah? That is the question...).

...

Seriously though, "spreading capitalism" is a euphemism for the same interventionist policy of regime puppetry. As the world shrinks we continue to tighten the grip on the countries we can exploit.

A negative way of putting it, I suppose...

**Farnan** · August 20, 2008, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by Andrew87

I get it !

Instead of bombs you throw big macs and tv's so in a few years your enemies will be too fat and dumb to fight you.

Brilliant

This reminds me...

A US Army Platoon Sergeant and Iraq veteran told me his plan to win in Iraq:

Give them all TVs and pump MTV into the country. In a few years they'd be too stupid and lazy to fight.

**Cicero2** · August 20, 2008, 05:31 AM

If all countries are capitalists then their economies would be co-dependent, case and point; US and China.

These 2 would think twice before attacking one another, why? Because they rely on each other. They benefit from each other.

Thats how true peace is maintained, not by invading.

**Tiwaz** · August 20, 2008, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero2

Capitalism is the best way to spread freedom, (look at west europe after WW2), not militarily invading countries.

You mean western Europe was not free prior to USA coming and shoving capitalism down it's throat?

Or capitalistic...

Sorry, your whole argument falls apart with your lack of knowledge on history.

Europe WAS free. It WAS democratic and it WAS capitalistic by definitions of that day.

It did not need USA for any of that.

Not to mention that capitalism has it's bad side. USA did manage to spread capitalism to Chile with Chicago boys. It's economy tanked when everything was privatized and investors went for quick cash instead of long term investments.

Not to mention that this pinnacle of capitalism was anything but free.

Capitalism does not equal free.

**Ragabash** · August 20, 2008, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by Cicero2

If all countries are capitalists then their economies would be co-dependent, case and point; US and China.

These 2 would think twice before attacking one another, why? Because they rely on each other. They benefit from each other.

Thats how true peace is maintained, not by invading.

Capitalism does not mean necessary that all economies are globally dependant on one another, there will be always those partners that are more important than others, like in the case of China and U.S.A for an example. And there really aren't many countries that have not adapted capilistism for their economical model yet.

And many times global capitalism work quite the opposite in improving peoples' life quality. When major powers are so entacled with each other that they cannot really anymore break economical ties, no matter what is the situation of human rights etc across the sea, there are very little methods outside the military or political threat to pressure another. In short, capitalism is not the issue here.

Also, the human right/life quality problem is not as much about "lesser" economical models as of major corruption, military dictatorships, oppressing governments or basically just the fact that not all people are equal in this global world. This cannot be changed purely by economical means as most of the time these parties are not dependant on global markets. Look at Zimbabze for an example; economical sanctions have had little affect on their leadership while people are the ones starving and suffering the most.

Don't think otherwise; Mugabe still takes his daily sunbaths at the pool, ginitonic on his hand and drives around with limusines and live like a film star while the people are struggling to get next day meal.

**Viking Prince** · August 20, 2008, 06:14 AM

Founding fathers were right about foreign entaglements -- esp. military quartered in foreign lands. They knew from experience. I can agree with the keep your military in your own backyard and out of other backyards. The problem is one of disengagement. Korea is a good example. Just leave?

Rather than spread liberty or capitalism -- why not simply be like China -- trade and keep out of their affairs.

The world is a big place, but communication seems to keep everyone informed. I do not think any people needs a lecture from the Americans. Live and lead by example.