Texas school district to let teachers carry guns

[morteduzionism]

umm, so who is supposed to shoot the teacher if/when they go nuts and come to work trying to shoot up the place?

I suppose students will then be allowed to bring guns for their own safety...

School experts backed Thweatt's claim that Harrold, a system of about 110 students 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth, may be the first to let teachers bring guns to the classroom.

I understand now. In such a large system with hundreds of students, it's imperative that teachers be armed.

I've heard of this place, next to Sadr City and Rio de Janeiro it's the most dangerous place on earth...

[Andrew87]

I wonder what would happen if u don't do your homework

[VALIS]

No more talking back to teacher.

[Markas]

Perhaps the teacher lectures from behind a wall of sandbags with an M-60.

[Ramashan]

I suppose it was only a matter of time and it doesn't surprise me that a town in Texas was the first to test this out. But, I wonder if the school is going to sell bullets in the cafeteria?

[morteduzionism]

I suppose it was only a matter of time and it doesn't surprise me that a town in Texas was the first to test this out. But, I wonder if the school is going to sell bullets in the cafeteria?

...hopefully now people understand better why I think Texas is such an...interesting...place...lol

The worst part is, IMO, it was supported by the community and school board...

This sounds like the Spanish Basketball team photo problem. Noone, at any level, suggested that this may not be such a good idea...

[Osceola]

umm, so who is supposed to shoot the teacher if/when they go nuts and come to work trying to shoot up the place?

I suppose students will then be allowed to bring guns for their own safety...


I understand now. In such a large system with hundreds of students, it's imperative that teachers be armed.

I've heard of this place, next to Sadr City and Rio de Janeiro it's the most dangerous place on earth...

The same thing that happens when a cop goes postal.

Duuurrrr! Guess you didn't think of that now did ya buddy?

.. Of course, you do know if a teacher wanted to go postal in places where they can't bring a gun to school..

They can always bring a goddamn gun to school.

I'd rather have another teacher or several armed to shoot the postal teacher.

Once again, your arguments are epic fail.

[El Brujo]

I like the idea, but it will only last until a teacher gets his/her gun stolen. But in a small district like this I doubt anything will happen.

[morteduzionism]

The same thing that happens when a cop goes postal.

Duuurrrr! Guess you didn't think of that now did ya buddy?

I was being facetious.

However, I didn't think a teacher licking off shots in a classroom until another teacher could come along and shoot them...was a viable or logical solution.

You do.

.. Of course, you do know if a teacher wanted to go postal in places where they can't bring a gun to school..

They can always bring a goddamn gun to school.

Absolutely! Being allowed to legally carry a gun into the school makes it easier...

At least before if a teacher brought a gun to school EVERYONE would know something was wrong...now... ...just have to hope for the best.

I'd rather have another teacher or several armed to shoot the postal teacher.

...you're obviously an optimist. I'm obviously a pessimist. You choose to only see the .001% (made up figure) incidents where everything works perfectly: crazy teacher shot by sane teacher noone innocent dies...lol

I choose to see the worst case scenario: teacher/student arguing...teacher feeling threatened shoots student...

Will the teacher be punished? Absolutely. Unless the student is...an "other"...then the teacher may be absolved...

Does a child deserve to be shot accidentally in school by a teacher? Absolutely NOT! Under NO circumstances should a teacher be capable of shooting a student in a classroom.

If the school is that dangerous arming teachers is a waste of time...if someone wants to do something fix the society those kids are coming from.

Once again, your arguments are epic fail.

I wasn't making an argument.

lol...you obviously see guns as a be-all-end-all solution to EVERYTHING. I don't.

You trust your life in other peoples hands. I don't.

You believe more guns=safer society. I don't.

It's not that an argument will fail with you, you seem incapable of being objective

[Osceola]

I wasn't making an argument.

lol...you obviously see guns as a be-all-end-all solution to EVERYTHING. I don't.

You trust your life in other peoples hands. I don't.

You believe more guns=safer society. I don't.

It's not that an argument will fail with you, you seem incapable of being objective

TL; DR , but I did read the quoted half.

Be all end all solution? Just an attempt by you to paint me as one of those dreaded gun nuts. I see them as one of many solutions, and with more positive points as opposed to negative ones.

I come from a state where we have shall-issue-concealed-carry. I grew up reading plenty of routinely occuring accounts where a gun saved a lawful citizens life. I have a friend who's 357. Magnum very easily saved his life when a group of wannabe Bloods with a (doubtlessly illegal, un-registered fully auto Mac-10 that no gun control law can do a damn thing about because it was never legal to sell in the first place) Mac-10/11 decided they wanted his car, wallet, and very easily his life. Yeah, I think guns were a positive in that situation.

I've seen a murder too, unlike you I'm sure. I saw a man shot in the chest several times in cold blood right in front of my eyes, at a night time parade. He was dead before the paramedics even got there. And you know what? Not a damn thing would have saved his life. He pissed off the wrong kind of person, a Hells Angel. And that Angel could have gotten any damn gun he wanted, no matter how stringent the laws, their activity in places like California is evidence of that.

And you know what would have saved that guys life , while a gun of his own or gun control laws would not have?

The common fecking sense not to be purposefully stalking over a period of several weeks, the sister of a man belonging to a gang reputed to only accept men who have killed before, into their ranks.

But as usual, your propogandistic tendencies couldn't even bother to mention this in, your argument that you yourself admitted was basically just nonsensical whining, as opposed to an actual argument..

Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training and permission from school officials, he said.

So you're advocating gun owners undergo psychiatric evaluations? I'm cool with that.

Yeah, can you imagine that morteduzionism? Common sense gun control might have another meaning other then the definition high-jacked by arrogant, pompous, imbecillic, incompetent, "liberal" politicians, just as they have high-jacked the meaning of "liberal' in America.

And after that, would you still have violence problems in America?

Yep.

Why?

Because the cause of the problem, nor the answer, is not guns.

[morteduzionism]

TL; DR , but I did read the quoted half.

whatchutalkinboutwillis?

Be all end all solution? Just an attempt by you to paint me as one of those dreaded gun nuts. I see them as one of many solutions, and with more positive points as opposed to negative ones.

OK, so I misunderstood your stance. Shoot me.

I have a friend who's 357. Magnum very easily saved his life when a group of wannabe Bloods with a (doubtlessly illegal, un-registered fully auto Mac-10 that no gun control law can do a damn thing about because it was never legal to sell in the first place) Mac-10/11 decided they wanted his car, wallet, and very easily his life. Yeah, I think guns were a positive in that situation.

I've NEVER suggested that there're NEVER instances where a gun could help. If you've seen any of my other posts on the issue you'd know that.

I've seen a murder too, unlike you I'm sure.

I saw a man shot in the chest several times in cold blood right in front of my eyes, at a night time parade. He was dead before the paramedics even got there. And you know what? Not a damn thing would have saved his life.

True. Even if he was armed, it wouldn't have helped. That sort-of contradicts your story about your friend, doesn't it? One case where a gun help preven a crime and another where one wouldn't have mattered at all. As you admitted also.

But as usual, your propogandistic tendencies couldn't even bother to mention this in, your argument that you yourself admitted was basically just nonsensical whining, as opposed to an actual argument..

What're you talking about!? I didn't mention the story about the biker shooting someone for stalking his sister!? I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT...

Are you implying that "common sense" will prevent any negative outcomes for allowing teachers to come to school armed? If you've read any of the posts where I do argue for gun control it's precisely because: I don't trust people to use "common sense" when they have a lethal weapon on their person. If that's what you were implying then the reason I left it out is because I don't think it exists. If not, I don't know what you're talking about.

The comments I posted in relation to the story were facetious. I wasn't trying to use the post as an argument for gun control or anything else! It's an interesting story by itself.

Yeah, can you imagine that morteduzionism? Common sense gun control might have another meaning other then the definition high-jacked by arrogant, pompous, imbecillic, incompetent, "liberal" politicians, just as they have high-jacked the meaning of "liberal' in America.

I'll reiterate: whatchutalkinboutwillis? Are you saying that you agree that gun owners should undergo psychiatric evaluations? If so, what's the problem? I said I was OK with that. If not, I don't know what you're talking about.

And after that, would you still have violence problems in America?
Yep.
Why?
Because the cause of the problem, nor the answer, is not guns.

I agree. It's people with guns that's the problem.

[Andrew87]

This is the perfect item for teachers




It's also good for pointing at the blackboard u know.....

[Poisoner]

Hell yes for sovereign states and counties!

[Kleos]

"Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training and permission from school officials, he said." [From source linked in opening post]

So any would be gun carrying teacher has to a) be certified, b) undergo crisis training, c) have permission from school officials. Its not like some temp can stroll in with a gun and the school can do nothing about it, it seems like a perfectly rational decision for a school to take providing the mentioned training is up to scratch.

And the points regarding what if a teacher goes crazy are totally besides the point - if a teacher or any other worker wanted to shoot up their workplace there are hardly many obstacles to overcome currently - at least with this a fellow teacher has the means to stop a would be killer in their tracks.

[Markas]

"Teachers who wish to bring guns will have to be certified to carry a concealed handgun in Texas and get crisis training and permission from school officials, he said."

Good God they get Nano-suits as well?!?

[duda]

DEMOCRACY GONE TOO FAR is all i have to say.

[gambit]

I knew a teacher who once threw a chair at a student when he got so angry for her talking back. Unfortunantely he was such a terrible throw it missed her by far and he didn't get kicked out for assaulting a student.

If that guy had a gun I'd refuse to go to class.

[Ishoss]

I knew a teacher who once threw a chair at a student when he got so angry for her talking back. Unfortunantely he was such a terrible throw it missed her by far and he didn't get kicked out for assaulting a student.

If that guy had a gun I'd refuse to go to class.

Had a similar situation in 6th grade when a semi-retarded student talked back... not beautiful I tell ya.

Luckily, guns will never be allowed in Norwegian class-rooms

[Nikitn]

What a surprise! It's Texas for gods sake.

[Mithie]

All jokes aside - I see nothing wrong with this.