Have Georgia, Poland and Ukraine been fabricated by US government?

[Mikelus Trento]

The timing of all these "crisis" spots suddenly appearing certainly make me suspicious that the US government could be behind it all.

Why you ask? Well, so McCain can display his militant side (his only advantage imo over Obama) with the goal being to get him elected.

Who else thinks this is a possibility?

[Heathen Hammer]

Yup. US would benefit on any kind of military conflict or instability, to scare people. Scare people would agree to any government decisions, regardless of how ridiculos they would be (e.g. 9/11 and patriot act).

[BeastG33]

No. <3 conspiracy theorists.

[Łukomski]

What? Another conspiracy theory? It was Poland's own decision to agree on the missile shield.

[Heathen Hammer]

What? Another conspiracy theory? It was Poland's own decision to agree on the missile shield.

Was there a referendum?

[Łukomski]

Was there a referendum?

No but there was parliamentary election... what diffrence? If the normal citizens would be able to rule alone then in all of today modern democracies, there would be no need for representation...

[Big War Bird]

Was there a referendum?

I was unaware Poland is an Athenian democracy were all vote on every issue.

The timing of all these "crisis" spots suddenly appearing certainly make me suspicious that the US government could be behind it all.

Why you ask? Well, so McCain can display his militant side (his only advantage imo over Obama) with the goal being to get him elected.

Who else thinks this is a possibility?

To beleive such a thing you must provide evidence that the Bsuh et al encouraged Georgia to move S. Ossetia. Now the administration said they tried to dissuade Georgia from that action. So please provide some direct evidence to the contrary other than "well it makes my guy look bad so it must be a conspiracy." Furthermore the administration was rather silent on Russia's inintial invasion, which the administration saw as a predictable (and understandable) consequence of Georgia's actions. It wasn't until after it became clear that a wider invasion was underway did the President seriously speak out.

Now of course Obama had the same milqtoast initial reaction as the president, while McCain appears to have been ahead of the curve in seeing the whole picture.

Contrary to the kook fringe's belief George Bush or Dick Cheney are not and could not pull all the strings of the world's nations.

[Admiral Piett]

Contrary to the kook fringe's belief George Bush or Dick Cheney are not and could not pull all the strings of the world's nations.

Big War Bird is right on this one. As much Bush and Cheney have expanded and stretched Executive authority and the US' influence abroad, Bush and Cheney are certainly not near the credit as to control things like this. Bush isn't smart enough for that.

[danzig]

Big War Bird is right on this one. As much Bush and Cheney have expanded and stretched Executive authority and the US' influence abroad, Bush and Cheney are certainly not near the credit as to control things like this. Bush isn't smart enough for that.

Actually given the people who believe Bush was behind 9/11 if one believes that then this would have been relatively minor It IS all nonsense though.

[Andrew87]

Bull

Are u somehow implying that those "crysis" spots never existed before?

That region is a bomb and Russia just pressed the button... It was bound to happen sooner or later.

This kind of conspiracy theories are just stupid. Tell me why would a potential US president be involved in something like that knowing that in his future term he would have to deal with Iran, North Koreea.... and his only potential "ally" in those regions would be Russia ?

I know that a presidental race is a tough one, but really....who is that desperate to get ellected?

[Mikelus Trento]

Bull

Are u somehow implying that those "crysis" spots never existed before?

That region is a bomb and Russia just pressed the button... It was bound to happen sooner or later.

This kind of conspiracy theories are just stupid. Tell me why would a potential US president be involved in something like that knowing that in his future term he would have to deal with Iran, North Koreea.... and his only potential "ally" in those regions would be Russia ?

I know that a presidental race is a tough one, but really....who is that desperate to get ellected?

Not in the least, that would be silly.

What I am suggesting is that all 3 things coming to a head within a week or so of each other seems mighty suspicious to me. And as far as Poland and the Ukraine go, there have been discussions going on for a long time. And yet now, right before the election, suddenly it's a good time to announce military changes requested by the US? Changes on Russia's dorrstep? Which they oppose? Why now? Why not have waited until some resolution of Georgia had been reached.

These things are being stacked up to create a fear atmosphere, a warlike atmosphere. The same thing happened right before 2004 when all of a sudden we had daily Red Alerts on the terrorist threats.

Don't forget, George "the cowboy" Bush LIED to the American people about WMDs to get public sentiment behind him for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Do you not think he and the Repub power people wouldn't stoop to such deceptive means to get McCain elected? I certainly see it as a possibility.

The only thing though, GWB is not smart enough to figure this out on his own. It has Cheney stamped all over it.

It's pretty hard feeling patriotic about America when every day I become more and more ashamed of it.

I was unaware Poland is an Athenian democracy were all vote on every issue.



To beleive such a thing you must provide evidence that the Bsuh et al encouraged Georgia to move S. Ossetia. Now the administration said they tried to dissuade Georgia from that action. So please provide some direct evidence to the contrary other than "well it makes my guy look bad so it must be a conspiracy." Furthermore the administration was rather silent on Russia's inintial invasion, which the administration saw as a predictable (and understandable) consequence of Georgia's actions. It wasn't until after it became clear that a wider invasion was underway did the President seriously speak out.

Now of course Obama had the same milqtoast initial reaction as the president, while McCain appears to have been ahead of the curve in seeing the whole picture.

Contrary to the kook fringe's belief George Bush or Dick Cheney are not and could not pull all the strings of the world's nations.

You know I can never have access to private conversations between state leaders. My only justification is the peculiar timing of events, and the fact that this is exactly the same tactic the Republicans pulled last time.

Call it "kooky" if you will. I could just as well ask you to provide evidence that
the US actually did try to discourage Georgia, something other than thats what they say, and you also could not provide it.

Believe it or not as you will. You know what they say though, if it walks like a duck...etc etc.

BWB? Do you actually believe everything that the US government says? I never really thought of you as that naive.

[gambit]

Do you mean fabricated like our government says they exist and they dont? or fabricated like our government is using them as puppet governments and twisting the whole situation to their desires?

[Heathen Hammer]

No but there was government election... what diffrence? If the normal citizens would be able to rule alone then in all of today modern democracies, there would be no need for representation...

The difference is, that with nuclear shield over Poland, civilians would face dangerous consequences of potential radioactive activity. Therefore it is significant, tht polish government cares more about US interests, than interests of its own people.

[Łukomski]

The difference is, that with nuclear shield over Poland, civilians would face dangerous consequences of potential radioactive activity. Therefore it is significant, tht polish government cares more about US interests, than interests of its own people.

It is anti-missile shield... and radioactive activity above Poland would be nothing else than your russian nukes aimed on Poland

[Heathen Hammer]

It is anti-missile shield... and radioactive activity above Poland would be nothing less than your russian nukes aimed on Poland

Russia owuldnt aim its nukes, if there is no US base on it.

[Kavhan Isbul]

I personally fail to see how the US may have instigated Saakashvilli to attempt to regain Georgia's territory in South Ossetia from the Russian backed separatists. Obviously, thus far the US has been able to do nothing more than issue some very stern warnings, backed up by neither military, nor economic threats.

The way Russia exposed itself as an aggressor is Russia's own fault. It was Russia that concentrated troops along the Georgian border and planned the war. It was Russia that encouragaed the separatists to provoke Georgia by attacking Georgian villages (it has been noted numerous times that Russia needed to start the war by August so as to avoid getting bogged down during the winter). It was then Russia that invaded Georgia even outside of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And it is Russia that has failed to observe the ceasefire agreements it has signed.

I am glad to see how people start to realize that Russia made a blunder in Georgia, but it was a blunder Russian leaders walked into themselves, not a clever trap set up by the US. Unless you are trying to convince us that the current US administration - George W. and friends, are some really clever schemers, who outsmarted Putin's gang.

[cegorach]

The difference is, that with nuclear shield over Poland, civilians would face dangerous consequences of potential radioactive activity. Therefore it is significant, tht polish government cares more about US interests, than interests of its own people.

Nonsense. The missile shield was a subject during the election campaign in October.

ALL MAJOR parties supported it at that time (now one doesn't - but it has some 8 % of the seats in the Sejm and none in the Senat) . Those which didn't didn't get to the parliament.

The only issue was how much it is worth and how much should we demand for it.

End of story.

We are not Switzerland to have a referendum about everything.

Leaders are elected to make decisions according to their knowledge, sometimes even against the public.
If we don't trust them to do what they are supposed to do i.e. hard decisions I find no reason to elect leadership at all.

Russia owuldnt aim its nukes, if there is no US base on it.

Considering the fact that Russia threatened us to do so several times linking it to other decisions we already MADE it is either it lied before - so didn't target us - or it lies now - so it already did in the past.

Besides one glance on the european map is enough to find out that if some country is targeted by Russia in case of a war Poland is among the top targets.

[Holger Danske]

The difference is, that with nuclear shield over Poland, civilians would face dangerous consequences of potential radioactive activity. Therefore it is significant, tht polish government cares more about US interests, than interests of its own people.

Looks at the events happening in Georgia...

[Vladimir Lenin]

The difference is, that with nuclear shield over Poland, civilians would face dangerous consequences of potential radioactive activity.

Does Russia plan to launch nukes? If so, then your right. If not, who cares?

[Mithie]

Excuse me, good sirs, I didn't realize this was the "Crazy Conspiracy Thoeries Mudpit".