Israel to release 200 Palestinians

[Каие]

I wish to make a thread commending Israel for doing something good. If you don't charge them might as well be free but...I'll likely receive a backlash seeing as i am accused of being anti israeli.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7566695.stm

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The Israeli cabinet has voted to release some 200 Palestinian prisoners as a goodwill gesture to Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas.
Officials said the actual release would take place around 25 August, but the list of inmates is yet to be finalised. Mr Abbas' aide described the move as "a step in the right direction", but said more prisoners should be set free. Israel is said to be holding between 8,500 and 11,000 Palestinian prisoners, including several hundred children.

Israeli government officials said the release would be carried out before the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Israeli security officials must still approve the list, but it is likely to include two Palestinians implicated in deadly attacks against Israel in the 1970s. The cabinet decision follows Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's announcement that he would stand down from his position, after being questioned on corruption allegations. Mr Olmert's decision to step down when his Kadima party selects a new leader in September is likely to complicate efforts to reach a peace deal this year, correspondents say. Israel freed 429 Palestinians as a goodwill gesture to Mr Abbas after the resumption of US-sponsored peace talks in November in the US city of Annapolis.

Except i have two problems.

but it is likely to include two Palestinians implicated in deadly attacks against Israel in the 1970s.

That should not happen. Murderers and people who have been tried should remain, unless there crime was minimal and no violent.

Israel is said to be holding between 8,500 and 11,000 Palestinian prisoners, including several hundred children.

Come on now...children in adult jails? been held for the last couple of years? What justification is there?

Khalida Jarar said that the Israeli court try all Palestinians over the age of 12 as adults. She said that this is a clear violation of all human rights laws and the international Convention on the Rights of the Child.

Even more shocking, the children want to go to jail to escape poverty...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1528104.ece

[Dr. Croccer]

Obviously the poverty is all their fault, it's perfectly feasible to create a thriving economy within a walled in a desert region the size of Luxembourg.

[Roman Rapper]

The sheer number of Palestinian and Lebanese citizens that have been kidnapped by Israel and held in their dungeons is absolutely horrific, and is quite the betrayal of how aggressive the Israelis are.

[Orko]

The sheer number of Palestinian and Lebanese citizens that have been kidnapped by Israel and held in their dungeons is absolutely horrific, and is quite the betrayal of how aggressive the Israelis are.

They were not "Kidnapped" and taken into dungeons. they were arrested in the border for carrying unauthoritized explosives, and after interregation they said they tried to commit suicide bombing.

[Valentin the II]

Look at it this way: atleast Israely prisons have better living conditions than Gaza.

The sheer number of Palestinian and Lebanese citizens that have been kidnapped by Israel and held in their dungeons is absolutely horrific, and is quite the betrayal of how aggressive the Israelis are.

LoL, hey medi!
Still hiding from the mossad agents?

[Каие]

Look at it this way: atleast Israely prisons have better living conditions than Gaza.

That's the point, its really sad. Tragic it has come to this.

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Everyone else, the point of this thread was to see Israelis support or not for the detention of 12 year olds in jails, and what the Israeli population thinks of that.

If you have anti-Israeli bollocks, keep it to yourself, especially anti-Jewish stuff. Secondly, if you wish to discuss the legitimacy of Israel or the history there is a massive thread titled 'Israel'. This is for the Israeli legal system and children.

[EpicJon]

The sheer number of Palestinian and Lebanese citizens that have been kidnapped by Israel and held in their dungeons is absolutely horrific, and is quite the betrayal of how aggressive the Israelis are.

and how many israelis do you think the palestinians kidnapped?

Let me guess, zero?

The Palestinians are the ones who are doing the first violence actions against the israelis. If the palesinians would go back to their own land, and leave israel alone, then none of this would happen.


-EJon

[Roman Rapper]

The Palestinians are the ones who are doing the first violence actions against the israelis. If the Palestinians would go back to their own land, and leave israel alone, then none of this would happen.


-EJon

They are on their own land. It is all Palestinian land. It is the Israelis who are trespassing.

[EpicJon]

They are on their own land. It is all Palestinian land. It is the Israelis who are trespassing.

Actually no, the Israelites have been there for thousands of years, show me where the palestinians owned the land for that long

You may not believe the Bible, but even athiest historians agree with its historic info. The Israelites were there first.

-EJon

[PurpleScotch]

Actually no, the Israelites have been there for thousands of years, show me where the palestinians owned the land for that long

You may not believe the Bible, but even athiest historians agree with its historic info. The Israelites were there first.

-EJon

Bull!

The Modern Israelis are nothing more than Eastern European Jews who have nothing to do with the old Jews.

Original Jews lived along side Palestinians without any problem until the Zionists came.

EDIT: Also, please tell me how many Israelis were kidnapped by Palestinians? 4,6, 10..? The Israelis have thousands upon thousands of prisoners in their jails.

[Roman Rapper]

Actually no, the Israelites have been there for thousands of years, show me where the palestinians owned the land for that long

You may not believe the Bible, but even athiest historians agree with its historic info. The Israelites were there first.

-EJon

What a preposterous thing to write. You are honestly saying that the land belongs to the Israelis based on a 2000 year old claim? So according to you most of Europe actually belongs to the Italians (Romans) yes?

In any case, the real land of the Israelites is where modern day Georgia is.

[Viking Prince]

They are on their own land. It is all Palestinian land. It is the Israelis who are trespassing.

Sorry to back track.

Borders are internationally recognized -- no need to check ancestry or land titles on clay tablets. What the governments recognize is what will be. This is why maps show certain portions to be occuppied by israel and also recognized borders (pre 1967).

btw -- who are Palestinians? Not an ethnic group. Not a religous group. They are Arabs without citizenship in the areas occupied by Israel or caged (but not locked) into camps by the UN. Some of the occupied lands will become Israeli and some part of one or two new Arab/Islamic majority countries. The camps will not be a part of this ---- where will they go???

[Serious Spamurai]

and how many israelis do you think the palestinians kidnapped?

Let me guess, zero?

The Palestinians are the ones who are doing the first violence actions against the israelis. If the palesinians would go back to their own land, and leave israel alone, then none of this would happen.


-EJon

Oh the irony. Mmmmm... ferric.

[Viking Prince]

If there were no risk of jailing children -- how many more would be potential bomb carriers are holdrs of restricted materials when subject to Israeli searches?

[Dr. Croccer]

The largest charge of capturing children is based on the fact that they are throwing lethal pebbles at Israeli APCs.

[roy34543]

Original Jews lived along side Palestinians without any problem until the Zionists came.

the exact opposite , they were widely discriminated against by the general population and the ottoman empire was the "good guys" the palestinians were the ones who increasingly made conditions worse for all of the jews, and that just became much more evident with the british empire. Once the state of Israel was establishe there was any improvement to the jews lives, it would have just got steadily worse from there without the zionists who actually organized the jews to defend themselves. The palestinians were the "good guys" in no part anywhere in the 1900's, they just increasingly worsened the conditions for the jews. And the more measures were taken to "limit" jews entering the harsher the discrimination became. There was absoloutly no time at all were the jews were vieweed favourably in palestine by the palestinians. Its simply the ottoman empire realized that the jews money was very much to their benefit.

EDIT: Also, please tell me how many Israelis were kidnapped by Palestinians? 4,6, 10..? The Israelis have thousands upon thousands of prisoners in their jails.

Because Israel actually protects its citizens and doesnt send them unarmed willy-nilly into the gaza strip? A better question is how much palestiinians have captured other palestinians, and the answer is hundreds by the hamas-fatah conflict simply for no other reason then supporting the other group

[EpicJon]

what did their ancestors do? Israel has belonged to the Israelites for thousands of years.
Thats their claim to the land. The palestinians have no right.

-EJon

[Valentin the II]

what did their ancestors do? Israel has belonged to the Israelites for thousands of years.
Thats their claim to the land. The palestinians have no right.

-EJon

Although some jews lived there all this time, the bible is not a good claim.
Both the jews and the palestinians have the same claim to the land as both have been living there, and it (the land) never belonged to any of them.

On the other hand Israel makes mutch better use of the land than any arab nation could, and has won several wars for the land. So...... Yea.

[EpicJon]

Do you think its a coincidence that the Israelis have never been fully destroyed? like the romans, greeks, carthaginians, etc.. That thought never entered your mind? They DO have a claim to the land, the palestinians do not. The palestinian state was recently created, the Israelis have been there before them. Then the Holocaust happened, and after that, they wanted to return to their land.

-EJon

[L'Afrique]

Do you think its a coincidence that the Israelis have never been fully destroyed? like the romans, greeks, carthaginians, etc.. That thought never entered your mind? They DO have a claim to the land, the palestinians do not. The palestinian state was recently created, the Israelis have been there before them. Then the Holocaust happened, and after that, they wanted to return to their land.

-EJon

So you believe the Federal Republic of Germany has the right to invade Poland, drive ethnic Poles out of their homes in Pommerania, Silesia, and Prussia, and replace them with Germans who have never, ever lived there but once had ancestors who inhabited the territory a mere seventy years ago?