Ships previous to 1700.

[Yoram777]

Nuestra Senora de la Santissima Trinidad , 140 guns, first rate ship of the line

and again... ^^^^1769 nice ship though, but wrong thread.

[Dracula]

Is 60 years + - so much ?!

[arkeologen]

Is 60 years + - so much ?!

The thread actually is about ships previous to 1700, so yes.

[Dracula]

OK I have erased it since this will suit you.

[Yoram777]

, in more than half a century a lot changes.
this is a thread for ships from "before" 1700, posting ships from the second half of the 1700's doesn't make much sense...
Besides you usually don't even have to look up the date of the picture,
because you can tell by the style and design from what time they roughly are.
The picture of the ship you just posted looks very different from pre 1700 or even early 1700's ships.

[Yoram777]

Some more pretty pictures of the Vasa (from wiki), to get back on topic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)

[Ghillie]

Oh nice pics Yoram, tried to put those up as well but failed for some reason. + rep

[Ghillie]

I saw a documentary of Kronan some 1 or 2 years ago on Swedish television, they found out that the crew inside Kronan had killed eachother brutally in the desperation of getting out, some guy had even tried to chop his own arm of because he probably was stuck, still only 40 out of 800 survived the explosion.

Ouch... it must have sucked to be a sailor in those days

[Sir_Viriato]

The first true ship: Caravela (caravel)

Age of (Portuguese) discoveries

[Yoram777]

@Sir_Viriato, found a better version of the same picture :

Portuguese Caravela (around late 1400's ?)

[Ludicus]

Portuguese Caravela (around late 1400's ?)

São Gabriel, 1497, Vasco da Gama first voyage to India.

Da Gama sailed from Lisbon on July 8, 1497, with a fleet of four vessels—two medium-sized three-masted sailing ships, each of about 120 tons, named the “São Gabriel” and the “São Rafael”; a 50-ton caravel, named the “Berrio”; and a 200-ton storeship. They were accompanied to the Cape Verde Islands by another ship commanded by Bartolomeu Dias.

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Flor do Mar: 400 tons (nau)




XVI century, Flor do Mar, Albuquerque´s flagship, India.

As one of Albuquerque's personal secretaries puts it when speaking about the loss, and I quote:
...On that moment the nau broke in two by the deck and sunk. And with it was lost a great treasure in gold and precious stones, greater as never before in India and never again in the future.

Frol De La Mar

[titanvoyager]

Other beutiful ships



Royal Sovereign (1654)



Soleil Royal (1669)

[Yoram777]

Other beutiful ships

Royal Sovereign (1654)

Soleil Royal (1669)

(Of both ships only 1 picture works.)

Anyway there have been many ships with that name and I think the Royal Sovereign in that picture is the one from 1701-1768.
it was launched in 1701, rebuilt in 1724 and remained in service until 1768.
She had been built using some of the salvageable timbers from the previous Royal Sovereign, which had been destroyed by fire in 1697.

The one from 1654 looked very different, it was launched in 1637 and served from 1638 until 1697, also the ship was rebuild and renamed several times.
At 1654 she was not yet named Royal Sovereign but just Sovereign, the Dutch called her 'The Golden Devil' (den Gulden Duvel)

1637 model:


(from wiki) The pre 1700 Sovereign:

Rear-Admiral Sir William Symonds noted that after the ship's launch she was "cut down" and made a safe and fast ship.
In the time of the Commonwealth of England all ships named after royalty were renamed; it was first decided to change the name of the ship into Commonwealth, but in 1650 it became a simple Sovereign.
In 1651 she was again made more manoeuvrable by reducing the number of cannon, served throughout the wars of the Commonwealth and became the flagship of General-at-sea Robert Blake.

She was involved in all of the great English naval conflicts fought against the United Provinces and France, referred to as 'The Golden Devil' (den Gulden Duvel) by the Dutch.
When, during the First Anglo-Dutch War, on 21 October 1652 the States-General of the Netherlands in a secret session determined the reward money for the crews of fireships that succeeded in destroying an enemy vessel, the Sovereign was singled out: an extra prize of 3000 guilders was promised 'in case they should ruin the ship named the Sovereign'.
Although repeatedly occupied by the Dutch in the fiercest of engagements the Sovereign was retaken every time and remained in service for nearly sixty years as the best ship in the English fleet.

By 1660 her armament had been increased to 100 guns.
After the English Restoration she was rebuilt at Chatham in 1660 as a first rate ship of the line of 100 guns, with flatter gundecks and renamed Royal Sovereign.
She was smaller than Naseby (later renamed Royal Charles), but she was in regular service during the three Anglo-Dutch Wars, surviving the Raid on the Medway in 1667 by being elsewhere at the time.
She underwent a second rebuild in 1685 at Chatham Dockyard, relaunching as a first rate of 100 guns, before tooking part in the outset of the War of the Grand Alliance against Louis XIV of France, participating in the Battle of Beachy Head (1690) and the Battle of La Hougue, when she was more than 50 years old.
In that period she was the first ship in history that flew royals above her topgallant sails.

Sovereign became leaky and defective with age during the reign of William III, and was laid up at Chatham, ignominiously ending her days, on 27 January 1697, by being burnt to the water line as a result of having been set on fire either by accident, negligence or design.

the French ship the Soleil Royal is correct.

[Wendsill]

La Couronne, first french build ship of the line. A few years back I've visited the warf where it has been build.



Scale model of La Couronne



Picture of a dutch build french ship

[Inhuman One]

I have been on the Batavia once years ago, I really should visit it again, it was a great experience.

[titanvoyager]

a few more...

De Zeven Provincien

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De Prinze Willem

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Royal Prince

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Sovereign of the Seas

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De Eendracht

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Vasa

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[Yoram777]

a few more...

De Zeven Provincien

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I'm wondering which one out of the 8 the one in your picture is? :hmmm:
If the ship in that picture is indeed one of the Seven Provinces ships then It would probably be either the 1643-1659 one, or 1665-1667 one.

There have been 8 ships named De Zeven Provincien. (The Seven Provinces)

the most famous one out of those is the 1665-1694 one.


The pre 1700 De Zeven Provincien where:

1. De Zeven Provincien 1643-1659 (+- 48 guns, ship of the line)

2. De Zeven Provincien 1665-1667 (+- 48 guns, ship of the line) name changed to St. Jan Baptista in 1667.
(temporary two ships with the same name)

3. De Zeven Provincien 1665-1694 (80 guns, 1st rate ship if the line) (the most famous one)



4. De Zeven Provincien 1694-1706 (94 guns, 1st rate ship of the line)


And the ones that are not pre 1700:

5. De Zeven Provincien 1782-1793 (74 guns, ship of the line)

6. De Zeven Provincien 1910-1942 (kanonneerschip canonniership?)

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7. De Zeven Provincien 1953-1976 (Cruiser)

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8. De Zeven Provincien 2002-Current (by American standards a Destroyer but called a Frigate in Dutch)

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[Dutchhoplite]

I don't know if this has been done but this de zeven provincien:



And this is de Aemilia:



Names seem to have been switched

[Holger Danske]

Ahh the Vasa... One word comes to mind here: Fail!

[Captain Jin]

What's the fascination/makes these earlier ships more beautiful? Is it the more ornate carvings and decorative 'statues' on the ships or just the higher stern. Most of those look like Spanish Galleons to me.