New to SS, how do the units stack up against each other?

**Sullio** · August 16, 2008, 06:07 PM

Specifically all the two-handers that are bugged beyond use in vanilla. Do billmen have an actual use now? What about JHI, is it still unbeatable against any other heavy infantry?

**JMSlayer** · August 16, 2008, 07:28 PM

Varies depending on the difficulty level, the unit, a bunch of things. My suggestion is to test it out yourself in Custom Battles, that's what I do anyway. It's damn near impossible for someone to give you a blanket answer, because with the plethora of sub-mods available for SS, there are too many variables.

**Sullio** · August 17, 2008, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by JMSlayer

Varies depending on the difficulty level, the unit, a bunch of things. My suggestion is to test it out yourself in Custom Battles, that's what I do anyway. It's damn near impossible for someone to give you a blanket answer, because with the plethora of sub-mods available for SS, there are too many variables.

Well, that sorta brings me to another point. I can't actually see any unique units in custom battles. Does anyone else have this problem? When I do a custom battle say between England and France, all I can see for both factions is the stuff they both get, like Feudal knights and peasants.

**Theseus1234** · August 17, 2008, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by Sullio

Well, that sorta brings me to another point. I can't actually see any unique units in custom battles. Does anyone else have this problem? When I do a custom battle say between England and France, all I can see for both factions is the stuff they both get, like Feudal knights and peasants.

are you sure you have the "all" time period selected?

**~~Gmaster Ryu~~** · August 16, 2008, 08:00 PM

I think you are years out of date mate =]

All the 2h's fix were fixed in Patch 1.2 for M2:TW weren't they?

**Caesar Clivus** · August 16, 2008, 09:03 PM

Originally Posted by Gmaster Ryu

I think you are years out of date mate =]

All the 2h's fix were fixed in Patch 1.2 for M2:TW weren't they?

Yup the 1.2 patch fixed that problem.

**eskrogh** · August 17, 2008, 02:10 AM

sorry if i am slow but what was the problem with the two handers in the first place?

**JMSlayer** · August 17, 2008, 05:48 AM

They animated too slowly. Therefore, units, IE, spear militia, would stab for less damage, but much more frequently. Being hit disrupts the attack animation, I believe. Therefore, 2h-ers were being outdamaged and outdefended, because they sacrifice a shield for more "oomph" per attack.

However, they apparently fixed that in an official patch.

**Sullio** · August 17, 2008, 10:44 AM

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Ok probably not. I didn't even realize that was an option. I guess I'm so used to my ministrations turning out bugs that I expected this to be another one. Well, that pretty much wraps up this topic, since the only reason I created it was since I couldn't see the units in custom battles.

Thanks for the help guys.