A question about Noahs ark...

[gambit]

Although some groups believe the story to be a bit more metaphorical, many take it quite seriously and the bible seems to lean towards that idea so I'm just wondering..

How come none of the animals tried to eat Noah... or other animals?

EDIT: This also just came to mind. If the story about the ark is just metaphorical and it's about the parable, then what the hell was with the flood? Did God just make that up and there never was one? Did God exterminate all humans and just start over perhaps? Did someone just sit on a mountain and survive?

[IndianPrince]

Noah's Ark is nothing but plageurism of the much ancient Gilgamesh and probably that of something else too. Now you may take it in the most literal or symbolical terms. The idea remains that something of that kind should not be referenced at all as a source of "moral values". It is ancient literature. Nothing Else. Like much of the bible which is completely out of date of many modern ideals and moral systems we believe in.

Prince

[bushbush]

ya it's not real. Seriously, if he really took the male and female of every creature in the world, wouldn't there be so much inbreeding? I find it amazing that some people out there can take this story seriously.

[gambit]

Thats how I expected it'd be. Yet, are bible-readers just supposed to shrug it off? It seems a fairly big story.

[IndianPrince]

Thats how I expected it'd be. Yet, are bible-readers just supposed to shrug it off? It seems a fairly big story.

Supposedly the "old testament doesn't reflect 'christian views' and the new testament does" where a man, supposedly god himself, goes on the cross for the sin of an adam who did not even exist and was just a metaphor ?!

Prince

[gambit]

I'm so glad I'm not a christian, cause questions like this would be giving me a mental cluster-.

Maybe parts of these stories were true and told by God, and other parts were exaggerated by the writers. Maybe Noah was just a guy in the mountains somewhere who didn't get killed by a great flood, along with alot of other animals.

Maybe Adam and Eve did exist, the story is just lost in time and the details had to be re-invented.

[finsternis]

Here's a video that shines some light as of why that story is there.



The thing about the flood is minute 1:50
but i recommend the watching the whole thing.

[hellas1]

Hey all,

Just to let you know about the Gilgamesh story and the Hebrew "Biblical" accounts of Noah's ark. Pay attention now, this IS simple to understand:

The Gilgamesh story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a cube.
The Biblical story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a rectangular solid.

Scientists did wave experiments with models and found that the cube model (Gilgamesh story) just rotated on it's axis, while the biblical model (Hebrew) actually moved about and was uncapsizeable as well.

Also, if the biblical account mentions different storeys to the ark AND that God facilitated in bringing the animals together AND read Genesis again to find out what food the animals were to eat!

Incidentally, you should also look into what the Jewish texts, such as Artscroll publications Tanach series on Genesis has to say about the inside. Remember, the Jewish people had an oral tradition which "adorned" the written stuff.
People who claimed to have seen and been in the ark of Noah claim that it actually has compartmented quarters for animals.

Finally, not all animals were in the ark: Fish, Whales, Dolphins, etc. weren't

Please, DO RESEARCH before slamming the Bible, Koran, Buddhist texts, etc.
It shows that you have not.
Very poor taste IMHO

Respectfully,
hellas1

P.S. Penn and Teller huh? Comedians telling me about the bible, great source.

[finsternis]

Hey all,

Just to let you know about the Gilgamesh story and the Hebrew "Biblical" accounts of Noah's ark. Pay attention now, this IS simple to understand:

The Gilgamesh story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a cube.
The Biblical story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a rectangular solid.

Scientists did wave experiments with models and found that the cube model (Gilgamesh story) just rotated on it's axis, while the biblical model (Hebrew) actually moved about and was uncapsizeable as well.

Please, DO RESEARCH before slamming the Bible, Koran, Buddhist texts, etc.
It shows that you have not.

Respectfully,
hellas1

P.S. Penn and Teller huh? Comedians telling me about the bible, great source.

What in the name of Einstein are you talking about? So a rectangular ark moves. Are we suppose to be surprised? Who said rectangular arks don't move while cubed ones do?

And yes, it is Penn and Teller, but comedians are actually the only ones who bring light to things that no one notice. Also, if you actually watched the video, you should have noticed that there were two scholars in it. And they walked us through it. Does not matter if you are a comedian or a scholar, if you are able to explain your case logically, you professional does not matter.

So please
PAY ATTENTION before posting.

EDIT: here's an example of a comedian who brings to light so things that we do not noticed.
Also, I recommend you watching the Daily Show and the Colbert Report. They are comedians, but damn they bring to light things that no News station brings.

[jankren]

Lol, brilliant comedy.

[Malek]

Hey all,

Just to let you know about the Gilgamesh story and the Hebrew "Biblical" accounts of Noah's ark. Pay attention now, this IS simple to understand:

The Gilgamesh story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a cube.
The Biblical story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a rectangular solid.

Scientists did wave experiments with models and found that the cube model (Gilgamesh story) just rotated on it's axis, while the biblical model (Hebrew) actually moved about and was uncapsizeable as well.

Also, if the biblical account mentions different storeys to the ark AND that God facilitated in bringing the animals together AND read Genesis again to find out what food the animals were to eat!

Incidentally, you should also look into what the Jewish texts, such as Artscroll publications Tanach series on Genesis has to say about the inside. Remember, the Jewish people had an oral tradition which "adorned" the written stuff.
People who claimed to have seen and been in the ark of Noah claim that it actually has compartmented quarters for animals.

Finally, not all animals were in the ark: Fish, Whales, Dolphins, etc. weren't

Please, DO RESEARCH before slamming the Bible, Koran, Buddhist texts, etc.
It shows that you have not.
Very poor taste IMHO

Respectfully,
hellas1

P.S. Penn and Teller huh? Comedians telling me about the bible, great source.

what about kangaroos.

[Broken Pope]

There are around 350000 species of beetles. Just beetles. Another 550000 species of insects other than beetles. There are around 38000 species of spider. 2700 species of snakes. 5000 types of frog. 140 types of salamander ...

I could go on.

Anybody who takes this story seriously should question how Noah and his family managed to travel all over the world collecting animal species before Australia or the Americas had even been discovered.

They may also question how these journeys were undertaken with the technology of the time. No divine assistance is mentioned in the Bible.

Then think about the logistics of the operation.

I would say the whole enterprise is impossible. It might even be easier for one man to travel around the world in a single night delivering gifts to every child on the planet by climbing down their chimneys.

[paraskevikaidekatris]

There are around 350000 species of beetles. Just beetles. Another 550000 species of insects other than beetles. There are around 38000 species of spider. 2700 species of snakes. 5000 types of frog. 140 types of salamander ...

I could go on.

Anybody who takes this story seriously should question how Noah and his family managed to travel all over the world collecting animal species before Australia or the Americas had even been discovered.

They may also question how these journeys were undertaken with the technology of the time. No divine assistance is mentioned in the Bible.

Then think about the logistics of the operation.

I would say the whole enterprise is impossible. It might even be easier for one man to travel around the world in a single night delivering gifts to every child on the planet by climbing down their chimneys.

Anyone who knows a little about how many years Noah and his sons and grantsons lived and who has only heard in general the evolution theory can answer to what you say.

[Mithiras]

First of all if you believe in Darwin all species evolve, which does mean that there could have been one species which just evolved naturally, since Noahs ark takes place a few hundred thousand years before christ. Also, in the bible it is just the known world, the Jews and eygptians did not know about a europe or asia and it doesn't specify everywhere was flooded. Also God was basically controlling the animals thus why they didn't fight or kill anything.

[Richard]

Hey all,

Just to let you know about the Gilgamesh story and the Hebrew "Biblical" accounts of Noah's ark. Pay attention now, this IS simple to understand:

The Gilgamesh story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a cube.
The Biblical story gives the dimensions of the ark as being a rectangular solid.

Scientists did wave experiments with models and found that the cube model (Gilgamesh story) just rotated on it's axis, while the biblical model (Hebrew) actually moved about and was uncapsizeable as well.

Also, if the biblical account mentions different storeys to the ark AND that God facilitated in bringing the animals together AND read Genesis again to find out what food the animals were to eat!

Incidentally, you should also look into what the Jewish texts, such as Artscroll publications Tanach series on Genesis has to say about the inside. Remember, the Jewish people had an oral tradition which "adorned" the written stuff.
People who claimed to have seen and been in the ark of Noah claim that it actually has compartmented quarters for animals.

Finally, not all animals were in the ark: Fish, Whales, Dolphins, etc. weren't

Please, DO RESEARCH before slamming the Bible, Koran, Buddhist texts, etc.
It shows that you have not.
Very poor taste IMHO

Respectfully,
hellas1

P.S. Penn and Teller huh? Comedians telling me about the bible, great source.

Links please? You make a lot of claims there and offer no way for us to substantiate them.

.....and i imagine so was the guy who wrote the whole story or maybe the whole bible

No, the Bible was written by many people over a very long period of time. It was 'compiled' in a relatively short time, however (see Council of Nicea, for instance).

[Father Jack]

No, the Bible was written by many people over a very long period of time. It was 'compiled' in a relatively short time, however (see Council of Nicea, for instance).

Yeh i know that i was joking mate.

@hellas

No person was there to see the Flood.
Every culture in the world talks about a flood occurring, This is a fact.

So are you saying that noah wasnt there then? Oh please tell me the story of the mongolian flood story, or the Brythionic flood story......and on and on so no you cant prove that so it isnt fact.

And another thing. I would like to see the geological and archaeological evidence for a world wide flood that occured when the human race was was in existance

[Captain Blackadder]

Hey all,



Finally, not all animals were in the ark: Fish, Whales, Dolphins, etc. weren't

.

Uhh yes they were do you understand that fresh water fish cannot live in salt water and vice versa. So unless all the fresh water fish were brought aboard they all died. And since fresh water fish still exist they needed space for fish as well which just makes a ridiculous story that much more ridiculous.

[Roman Knight]

The measurements of the ark are in the bible are they not? though I cannot recall them at the moment. If that is the case, try and make a diagram of that ark, realistically fitting every animal in there, leaving about a quarter free for unknown species, in enough comfort so that they will not die, along with food enough for all of them. Incidentally, you've backed yourself into a corner on the eating of meat argument, you have to concede either that the flood was pointless (if god could change the entire eating habits of so many species so easily, why was it such a challenge to make all the humans better people? God is omnipotent isn't he?) or that the animals ate each other, and as such, the story is untrue.

[Wautd]

Here's a video that shines some light as of why that story is there.

The thing about the flood is minute 1:50

"Embarassing"
That really is the word for believing in the Flood myth. I can understand children believing it (in the same way as believing in Santa), but millions of adults?

[basics]

Gambit,

Because until that time was past all ate herbs. The flood not only cleansed the world of what God found regretable, it also changed other things, one being the introduction of meat-eating, and another of lifespan. Perhaps this can be explained by the mantle that covered the earth being removed letting in more sunlight. It is but one explanation I have heard.