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    Biologists have constructed a genetic map of Europe showing the degree of relatedness between its various populations.
    All the populations are quite similar, but the differences are sufficient that it should be possible to devise a forensic test to tell which country in Europe an individual probably comes from, said Manfred Kayser, a geneticist at the Erasmus University Medical Center in the Netherlands.
    The map shows, at right, the location in Europe where each of the sampled populations live and, at left, the genetic relationship between these 23 populations. The map was constructed by Dr. Kayser, Dr. Oscar Lao and others, and appears in an article in Current Biology published on line on August 7.
    The genetic map of Europe bears a clear structural similarity to the geographic map. The major genetic differences are between populations of the north and south (the vertical axis of the map shows north-south differences, the horizontal axis those of east-west). The area assigned to each population reflects the amount of genetic variation in it.
    Europe has been colonized three times in the distant past, always from the south. Some 45,000 years ago the first modern humans entered Europe from the south. The glaciers returned around 20,000 years ago and the second colonization occurred about 17,000 years ago by people returning from southern refuges. The third invasion was that of farmers bringing the new agricultural technology from the Near East around 10,000 years ago.
    The pattern of genetic differences among present day Europeans probably reflects the impact of these three ancient migrations, Dr. Kayser said.
    The map also identifies the existence of two genetic barriers within Europe. One is between the Finns (light blue, upper right) and other Europeans. It arose because the Finnish population was at one time very small and then expanded, bearing the atypical genetics of its few founders.
    The other is between Italians (yellow, bottom center) and the rest. This may reflect the role of the Alps in impeding free flow of people between Italy and the rest of Europe.
    Data for the map were generated by gene chips programmed to test and analyze 500,000 sites of common variation on the human genome, although only the 300,000 most reliable sites were used for the map. Dr. Kayser's team tested almost 2,500 people and analyzed the data by correlating the genetic variations in all the subjects. The genetic map is based on the two strongest of these sets of correlations.
    The gene chips require large amounts of DNA, more than is available in most forensic samples. Dr. Kayser hopes to identify the sites on the human genome which are most diagnostic for European origin. These sites, if reasonably few in number, could be tested for in hair and blood samples, Dr. Kayser said.
    Genomic sites that carry the strongest signal of variation among populations may be those influenced by evolutionary change, Dr. Kayser said. Of the 100 strongest sites, 17 are found in the region of the genome that confers lactose tolerance, an adaptation that arose among a cattle herding culture in northern Europe some 5,000 years ago. Most people switch off the lactose digesting gene after weaning, but the cattle herders evidently gained a great survival advantage by keeping the gene switched on through adulthood.



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    Nice find! Never thought us Norwegians were closer to Danes genetically than Swedes.

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    Look at the Finns, out there by themselves. I thought they were related to the Hungarians...
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    The Finns are unique.
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    Southern Italy is also pretty secluded, I guess we're unique.

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    The Fins are unique
    Actually inbred would be a better description.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    Actually inbred would be a better description.
    Not really. We have had most likely some genetic exchange from east. If you look at map, you will notice that there is this "minor" issue of seawater between for example Finland and Germany.

    And inbreeding requires far smaller popualation.

    By your logic, those guys on left in the map are inbreeding because they have so much same genomes.


    As for hungarians, their origins are same. But since they did not have blessing of isolation... Their genome is more "watered" down.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Filippo the Great View Post
    Southern Italy is also pretty secluded, I guess we're unique.
    exactly dude

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    That first map makes no sense at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    That first map makes no sense at all.
    Er, because it's not a map?
    It's a chart. The more one circle overlaps with another or multiple other circles the more similar it is to that other circle.

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    Basques, Saami and the Baltic people are missing!

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    So Swedes are Close to Germans?

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    By your logic, those guys on left in the map are inbreeding because they have so much same genomes.
    Actually the report states that the finnish had a population shrinkage at some point, that led to a very narrow line of genetics. It is not exactly inbreeding, but it is the same idea.

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    I can't see the connection between Hungarians and Poles (maybe can't read that map..)

    North Germans are closer to the Swedes than to south Germans (?)

    Ok Finns!! I suspected this for a long time already - You don't belong in the EU!!!

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    to the OP: can you post a link to the original source please?

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    Finnish isolation is due to the founder effect, i.e. a small founding population. I wonder why so much of Eastern Europe has been left out? I would have been interested in seeing the distance between Finns and Estonians.

    Would Finns be closer to the Russians than most other European Nations?( no Russia on chart)
    Russians might be quite close to Finns, not the other way around.

    Most of NW Russia was Finnic land before the arrival of the Slavs, who assimilated the Finnic populations.

    Would Finns be closer to the Russians than most other European Nations?( no Russia on chart)
    Well the Russians in Estonia would be far removed, not the Estonians. The colonists have been in Estonia for a only a couple of generations, and they've barely mixed as far as I know. Estonian distance from Finns would be due to larger founding population and more contacts with central Europe.
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    Dienekes has also written about this study:
    500K SNP Europe-wide study of genetic structure



    This is a very important study, the first one to use both a large number of markers and a wide and fairly representative sample of Europeans from across the continent.

    My main observations after reading this study are:

    * relative genetic homogeneity in Europe, with a fairly small percentage of variance explained by geographic differentiation
    * clinal, rather than racial apportionment of European genetic variation, with no emerging separated clusters (except the Finns, who stand at some distance along the first eigenvector)
    * south-north (but not east-west) decrease in genetic variation and heterozygosity indicating that Europe was populated on a south-north axis, rather than an east-west one.
    * clear clustering of individuals from different ethnic groups within the European continuum, indicating that ethnic groups are not only cultural, but to some extent biological entities.
    * Some ethnic groups are clearly distinguishable from each other (e.g. Swedes vs. Spaniards); some groups are partitioned into fairly disjoint sets (Spain I vs. Catalans in Spain II); others mutually overlap (e.g., British and Irish); while others overlap asymetrically (e.g., some former Yugoslavs in the Greek cluster, but not vice versa).

    Regarding the Greeks (from the northern part of the country), their closest neighbors are the two Italian groups (IT1 and IT2 (Marches)) on the one side, and former Yugoslavs on the other.

    Interestingly Italians neighbor Spaniards on the other side; whereas former Yugoslavs neighbor Czechs.

    A straightforward explanation for this pattern is that the Italian groups has mixed Western and Eastern Mediterranean affiliations; the latter stemming from either Neolithic farmers or Greek (or Etruscan, etc.) colonists.

    Former Yugoslavs are mostly disjoint from Greeks, except some who seem to be Slavicized Greeks, consistent with their descent from indigenous Balkan populations on one hand and Slavic immigrants more akin to Czechs and Poles on the other. Thus, they occupy an intermediate position between Greeks and Czechs.

    From the paper:

    Hierarchical analysis of molecular variance (AMOVA) [17]
    revealed that clustering the individuals according to four geographic
    groups—north (NO, SE, FI), north-west/central (IE, UK,
    DK, NL, DE1, DE2, AT, CH, FR), east (HU, RO, PO, CZ), and
    south (PT, ES1, ES2, IT1, IT2, YU, EL)—explained an average
    of 0.17% (95% coefficient interval: 0.0% to 0.91%) of the total
    genetic variance, whereas individual subpopulation affiliation
    explained 0.25% (95% coefficient interval: 0.0% to 1.25%).

    Overall, our study showed that the autosomal gene pool in
    Europe is comparatively homogeneous but at the same time
    revealed that the small genetic differentiation that is present
    between subpopulations is characterized by a significant
    correlation between genetic and geographic distance. Furthermore,
    the qualitative nature of these results is in close agreement
    with expectations based on human migration history in
    Europe. The major prehistoric waves of human migration in
    Europe followed south and southeastern to north and northwestern
    directions [1], including the first Paleolithic settlement
    of the continent by anatomically modern humans [18], most of
    the postglacial resettlement during the Mesolithic [19], and the
    farming-related population expansion during the Neolithic [18,
    20]. Thus, both the level and the change in neutral autosomal
    variation in Europe can be expected to roughly follow southernto-
    northern gradients as we observed, with the possible exception
    of population isolates as observed for the Finns.
    The common culture of a tribe is a sign of its inner cohesion. But tribes are vanishing from the modern world, as are all forms of traditional society. Customs, practices, festivals, rituals and beliefs have acquired a flut and half-hearted quality which reflects our nomadic and rootless existence, predicated as we are on the global air-waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilpuri View Post
    Finnish isolation is due to the founder effect, i.e. a small founding population. I wonder why so much of Eastern Europe has been left out?
    maybe there is a extra map for sub humans

    i smell a suspension..but seriously - just a joke

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    Are we Swedes not related to Norwegians or danes but to Germans?

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