Adam & Eve & other people?

[Noremac]

In Genesis there's only Adam & Eve. They get kicked out of Eden and they have Cain and Abel. Then Cain kills Abel and God drives him away. Then it says that he and his wife leave to Nod.:hmmm:What about Adam & Eve's 3rd son (can't remeber name) did he have kids with some one?

[MaximiIian]

No, because none of them existed in real life. They're metaphorical figures. Cain represents hunting and gathering, where Abel represents farming. The story is a parable to show the nobility and apparent godliness in agriculture, which was the foundation of civilization.

Also, there is the little fact that Genesis was meant to be the origin myth of the Hebrews, not all mankind, because Judaism was the ethnic religion of the then-homogeneous Jewish people.

[Bovril]

In Genesis there's only Adam & Eve. They get kicked out of Eden and they have Cain and Abel. Then Cain kills Abel and God drives him away. Then it says that he and his wife leave to Nod.:hmmm:What about Adam & Eve's 3rd son (can't remeber name) did he have kids with some one?

Shhh, you'll upset the fundies.

[finsternis]

Maybe there were more than one god. Maybe different gods made different gardens each with two people. Then when Cain leaves, he meets someone from the other gods. And then, through war and influence, Jehovah manages to kill all of the other gods by telling his people to kill anyone who does not believe in him.

Just a thought.

[The Good]

I'll explain from a Christian standpoint. For Cain to marry someone, Adam and Eve must have had other children, even though they weren't necessarily named in Genesis. In those early times, there was nothing really wrong with the intermarriage of family members, as I believe the genes of people at the time were very similar and, for a lack of a better word, more "pure" or resistant to disease than they are today.

A Christian/Jew could correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I think that the rules against intermarrying with family members came about around the time of Moses. This was a way for God to protect his people from diseases, mutations, and so on . . .

[Cluny the Scourge]

I'll explain from a Christian standpoint. For Cain to marry someone, Adam and Eve must have had other children, even though they weren't necessarily named in Genesis. In those early times, there was nothing really wrong with the intermarriage of family members, as I believe the genes of people at the time were very similar and, for a lack of a better word, more "pure" or resistant to disease than they are today.

A Christian/Jew could correct me if I'm wrong about this, but I think that the rules against intermarrying with family members came about around the time of Moses. This was a way for God to protect his people from diseases, mutations, and so on . . .

If this were so then the whole human race would have been one big inbred congenitally deformed band of retards by the fifth generation or so. Two people is not enough to create a sufficiently diverse gene pool for a sustainable population.

My own explanation of this question is that God was so angered with Adam and Eve for their disobedience that after exiling them he magicked new humans into being elsewhere (possibly by sowing dragon's teeth) to with their lives.

[motiv-8]

If the story of Adam and Eve is metaphorical, why did Jesus die on the cross to absolve past and future generations of the stain of an 'original sin' perpetrated by imaginary people?

Why do people make illogical statments based on false assumptions in attempts to discredit other peoples' views?

We may never know.

[Broken Pope]

Why do people make illogical statments based on false assumptions in attempts to discredit other peoples' views?

We may never know.

Explanation please. Are you talking about religion? My post? Something you just heard on the radio? Voices in your head?

[Dayman]

Why do people make illogical statments based on false assumptions in attempts to discredit other peoples' views?

We may never know.

His statement is a valid criticism.

[finsternis]

Why is the sky blue? Why is the universe black? Why do I keep touching my bad tooth with my tongue even though it hurts?

If real, why no dinosaurs in the garden of Eden?

Remember, there were humans in the Garden and humans came way after the dinosaurs died. That is why there were no dinosaurs in the garden.

FINALLY, I HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM OF THE DINOSAURS AND THE CREATION!!!
The funddies must love me now! No longer can people make fun of them.

[zrweber]

Why is the sky blue? Why is the universe black? Why do I keep touching my bad tooth with my tongue even though it hurts?



Remember, there were humans in the Garden and humans came way after the dinosaurs died. That is why there were no dinosaurs in the garden.

FINALLY, I HAVE SOLVED THE PROBLEM OF THE DINOSAURS AND THE CREATION!!!
The funddies must love me now! No longer can people make fun of them.

Your right. This site have alot of information on why that is true:
www.reasons.org

[Portuguese Rebel]

Your right. This site have alot of information on why that is true:
www.reasons.org

Just the first page made me laugh a few times... Your main problem should not be the parts that are true. It should be the parts that are not true or half true.

That and selling books intended to profit out of you fundies. Like that one from a muslim chemistry guy about the cell.

I'm going to write a book too. And given the fierce competition in the scientific field i'm going to write something for you findies, since you buy basically anything that says what you want it to say and ignore the rest.

[finsternis]

Your right. This site have alot of information on why that is true:
www.reasons.org

lol. Sorry, I made a pact with myself: do not question funndies, just laugh at them.

But yeah, I have heard every "creation scientist" (you know, those scientists that none of the other scientists ever listen to) BS from flood BS to intelligent fall BS.

[Thanatos]

Adam and Eve had other children.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Adam and Eve had other children.

Then those children still had sex with each other. Two specimens - Adam and Eve - is not a large enough gene pool to found a viable population.

[Broken Pope]

Then those children still had sex with each other. Two specimens - Adam and Eve - is not a large enough gene pool to found a viable population.

Cluny, I can't believe you have overlooked all the obvious pseudo-scientific explanations. (What a dufus! )

Firstly, did you know that according to some research by a deranged evangelical theologian, people in olden times ate nothing but herbs? This made their genes pure and undiluted. So it was fine to procreate with your sister.

Secondly, Adam and Eve may have been visited by angels who inseminated Eve with genetically engineered bull semen. (This explains why humans now have shorter lifespans because bulls only live to around 20). (A revered religious genetecist briefly escaped from his asylum for the permanently bewildered to publish this theory in an April 1st Edition of 'The Lancet'.)

Finally, it is now widely accepted in 'Christian-Apologist-Trying-to-Reconcile-the-Absurdities-of-the-Bible-With-Modern-Sensibilities' circles that Adam and Eve were only one of 38 breeding couples created by God and his helper-pixies but left out of the Bible at the behest of a critical sub-editor with his eyes on a 5 million-word text limit.

Do I even need to spell these things out to someone so bright?

[Pontifex Maximus]

If Adam and Eve had other children, aren't we just the product of massive, undisputed incest?

Troubling...

[Noremac]

If Adam and Eve had other children, aren't we just the product of massive, undisputed incest?

Troubling...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[edit] The Book of Adam and Eve
This book is a background story of Genesis 3 (Adam and Eve). It was left out because it duplicated Genesis and was written at a much later time (3rd or 4th century). In this book, Satan is an angel in human form that accompanies the serpent when tempting Eve. Not only that, but Eve is tempted twice in this book. The first is the familiar one found in Genesis. The other takes place much later after the banishment from Eden when Adam feels that the two must do penance for their sin by standing in separate rivers (Jordan for Adam, Tigris for Eve) for 40 days. After 18 days, Satan approaches Eve in the deceptive form of a divine angel, tells her she is forgiven, and successfully tempts her for a second time to disobey a command by leaving the river.

The book also alleges that God made all his angels bow down to his greatest creation, Adam. Satan refused to bow to someone who is inferior to him and made later. He rebelled and built an altar in Heaven higher than God's. Enraged, God had him banished to Hell.

That last story is also in Islam’s holy book, the Quran. In that book, Adam was made of clay and some mysterious beings called Jinn were made from smokeless fire. As above, all the angels were ordered by God to bow down before Adam, His greatest creation. All the angels obeyed, and all the Jinns except Satan obeyed. Jinns or genies are supposed to have free will and so they can disobey God.

(Note: the remaining sections have the (time) of their appearance in the film.)


[edit] Book of Jubilees (00:25)
In Genesis, there’s a question about Adam and Eve having three sons and no daughters. How did humanity flourish under such circumstances? It is also written that after Cain is ostracized, he leaves with a pregnant wife. Where did she come from? The Book of Jubilees (or Little Genesis), which was written c. 150 BC, tries to explain. In this book, Adam and Eve have 9 sons and daughters. Awan, their third child, ends up being Cain’s wife. But this creates a new problem, incest. Because of that, it’s felt that the Book of Jubilees was probably omitted from official western Christian scripture. But, this particular book was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls and it is also official canon in the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.


[edit] Book of Enoch (00:33)
This book fleshes out the story of Enoch, ancestor of Noah, a man who walked with God that gets only one sentence in the Bible (Genesis 5:22)[Correction Added : Enoch is mentioned in Genesis 5:21-24, Hebrews 11: 5-6 and even quoted in Jude 1:14-16 (Andrew White 9 OCT 2007)]. It also elaborates on Genesis 6:2-7 and Deuteronomy 2:20-21 the story of 200 angels mating with the “Daughters of the Earth” to create giants in the land. According to this book, not only did these angels lust after earthly women, they also taught mankind certain dark arts including that of weapon making. Ultimately, the head angel Azazel (or Azael) and all his followers are bound in Hell for their misdeeds.

Azazel approaches Enoch in a dream and pleads that he intercede for him and his followers with God for clemency. While in Heaven, Enoch is given a grand tour by the angel Uriel and is given extensive knowledge about the positions of stars and planets in the sky--astrology.

This book was somewhat similar to Revelation, but was considered too severe and strange to be included in the Bible. However, James Bruce discovered it in the late 18th century at Axum, Ethiopia to be amongst Ethiopian Orthodox Christian scripture. The hypothesis is that this book made its way there with the Queen of Sheba as the book contains a story about her visit with Solomon and the fact that she bore one of his children, Menelik I the first Ethiopian king. When Christians arrived in the 4th century, they stumbled across the book and immediately blended it in with their official holy scriptures. Like Jubilees, this book was also found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.

How interesting.:hmmm:
This is from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banned_from_the_Bible

[motiv-8]

If Adam and Eve had other children, aren't we just the product of massive, undisputed incest?

Troubling...

Not at all. There's this thing called genetic diversity, and studies have actually shown that we humans are less diverse now then we were thousands of years ago. This is explained in the Bible through the story of Babel.

[Cluny the Scourge]

Not at all. There's this thing called genetic diversity, and studies have actually shown that we humans are less diverse now then we were thousands of years ago. This is explained in the Bible through the story of Babel.

And how did humanity progress from Adam and Eve's level of genetic diversity, i.e. none, to Babel's? There are, once again, only so many people around to and spawn sprogs with - your own brothers and sisters, your own daughters and sons.