Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Why do you continue to shut these down and open new ones?Originally Posted by pannonian
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
BREAKING NEWS
Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko signed a decree requiring that Russia seek the permission of Ukraine's armed forces "at least 72 hours prior to Russian ships or aircraft crossing the Ukrainian border."
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...rvd-DUbRfgQdEA
Tobolight: probably because they cant fit like 20,000 posts in one thread, i think
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Artifex
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Good.
some answers to a certain HailThor from Canada
Communism and democracy are the same ? I lived under both systems and I clearly see the difference regardless how surreal and how abstract your arguments are relating one to another.
I know the style - 'there is no freedom even if you think there is', 'everything is controlled behind the scenes' etc - pushing for some sort of anarcho-utopist nonsense.
Communist was the system where scoundrels, liers and corrupt Party members could get everything without any skill other than ass licking. Where media lied about everything the Party didn't like to see, where the dummest and most disgusting nonsense was praised as long as it supported the principles of the marxism-leninism, where doublethinking was a way to survive.
Not to mention occupation forces, 'eternal friendship' with the Su in the Constitution which was meaningless when it didn't suit the Party or its secret police and constant shortages of everything.
Besides I don't recall choosing communism here - perhaps your history teachers didn't manage to give you some prety basic information.
True, Georgia and Azerbaijan are both independent, Soviet Union is dead and buried - so indeed it changed.Things seem to change.
Fair enough - I meant western europe.Nope, Russia was there way before. About 18th century.
Noone tells that you can't. Its just the government follows interests of its "big brother" US. US does not want to risk to intervene in conflict with Russia, so they just use puppets they have.
Absurd, but in your world anyone who is siding with the USA is their puppet I guess and those who are not are independent - isn't it right ?
O, and if life in pro-western states is so great, why is there so much Georgians/Ukranians/ Azarbaijenians/Poles living in Russia?
Many Poles living in Russia ? Do you actually know what you are talking about ?
They are descendants of people who lived in Russia before - you are clearly thinking that the EE is all the same - in the EU or outside of it, in Poland/Czech Republic, Hungary/Estonia etc or outside.
The only people from Poland moving even temporary to Russia are tourists, some students (of Russian language), investors and managers sent by their companies.
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Decanus
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Stop arguing for a while - it may be important!
Flavius Merobaudes raised the point that if proved right, we'll all agree on Russian 'presence' in Georgia.
"Russian" troops today heading from Gori to Tbilisi
http://streaming.tagesschau.de/bb/re...ntent&media=ms
"The reporter Thomas Roth spoke with one of the soldiers of the armour column he filmed:
The column is from Grozny and they are there to destroy infrastructure and burn Georgian villages. They have no national emblems however, so that Russia can claim that these crimes were not committed by regular Russian troops.
So apparently, the Russians want to turn it into a second Chechnya. They signed a ceasefire yesterday, which included a withdrawal. Shouldn't they be gone by now?"
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Praeses
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I am sorry, you cant just assume that I dont speak German and I dont understand very well what the narrator is talking about. please just admit that you made it up and I will get off your case. otherwise, I am afraid you just damaged your credibility beyond any repair.
Last edited by Panzerbear; August 13, 2008 at 01:42 PM.
Decanus
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Learn to read - it's not me who stated this - ask Flavius Merobaudes for confirmation - I've just dug it up from previous thread to prevent this issue from disappearing in clueless debate. Now stop your mental :wub: already (or how it was? intellectual diarrhoea?).
Edit: Video was just to show you 'Russian' troops heading to Tbilisi - which you used to deny all day long my friend.
cheers
Last edited by reavertm; August 13, 2008 at 01:49 PM.
Semisalis
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
I didn't make it up... Why should I?
Vicarius
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
I can confirm that the narrator tells what Flavius claims. The soldier who supposedly confirmed was asked without beeing filmed.
The unit wich is reported about is the same wich is denied to be present in Georgia by Georgian officials themselfs.
Frederick II of Prussia: "All Religions are equal and good, if only the people that practice them are honest people; and if Turks and heathens came and wanted to live here in this country, we would build them mosques and churches."
Norge: "Give me a break. Nothing would make you happier than to see the eagle replaced with a crescent."
Ummon:"enforcing international law will require that the enforcers do not respect it"
Olmstead v USA:"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means-to declare that the government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal-would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this court should resolutely set its face."
Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who can't defend themselfs.
When you stand before god you can not say "I was told by others to do this" or that virtue was not convenient at the time
Semisalis
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Great news!
I just watched German ARD news, and they showed footage of Russian troops burning Georgian villages. What a bunch of liars! That criminal KGB-Putin and his pet Medvedev.
Artifex
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
I hope we will see it soon everywhere.
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Vicarius
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Most probably it's Ossetian militias burning Georgian villages in South Ossetia wich has already been reported earlier. It's not more or less of an excess then the Georgian shelling of the South Ossetian capital though.I just watched German ARD news, and they showed footage of Russian troops burning Georgian villages. What a bunch of liars! That criminal KGB-Putin and his pet Medvedev
Regarding the supposed advance towards Tblisi:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7558593.stm
A convoy of Russian vehicles has been seen on the road to Tbilisi, but Russia and a Georgian minister deny it is heading for the capital.
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Frederick II of Prussia: "All Religions are equal and good, if only the people that practice them are honest people; and if Turks and heathens came and wanted to live here in this country, we would build them mosques and churches."
Norge: "Give me a break. Nothing would make you happier than to see the eagle replaced with a crescent."
Ummon:"enforcing international law will require that the enforcers do not respect it"
Olmstead v USA:"Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means-to declare that the government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal-would bring terrible retribution. Against that pernicious doctrine this court should resolutely set its face."
Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who can't defend themselfs.
When you stand before god you can not say "I was told by others to do this" or that virtue was not convenient at the time
Semisalis
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Actually, the text below the video is more important than the video itself:
"There are reports of looting in Gori, as Russian military vehicles patrol the streets in and around the Georgian town."
Russian peacekeepers, right?
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Damn!"Suckoshwili" wash your brains...Dont you think why he blocked all russian TV on Georgia?Dont you think why he killed all who disagree with him?Surely you dont know that on South Oseetia territory there are no Georgian or american journalists.Only Russian journalist tell about situation in SO.All western news about SO is fiction for naive people.
You guys are rusophobians without own opinion.When someone say that Russia dont atack Georgia you cry: "Its russian propaganda",but when georgian cowardly president tell something you always trust it.
Ask osetian people "Who has started this war","Who attacked Tshinvali"?Who killed womens and childrens?"They answer you "Georgia".But I sure,that you dont ask them,because you feel yourself good in illusion about "Evil russia"...You hate us in all times - It is illness.
Last edited by Comrade_K; August 13, 2008 at 01:57 PM.
Artifex
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Can you confirm that it was shown that these soldiers were actually cutting a cow in Gori ?
Shouldn't they have some military rations to eat ?
BTW Polish TVN reports that Ossetians took positions circa 30 kilometers from Tibilisi.
Could it actually mean that there will be a military confrontation, but this time without the 'peacekeepers'.
If so what these 'peacekeepers' are supposed to keep now ?
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Dux Limitis
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Doesn't matter. The loss of that cow cost some Georgian farmer a lot of money.
Senator
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Not surprising. I am wondering why NATO is still not sending any troops to Georgia as peacekeepers, to guarantee the ceasefire is observed on both sides.
Dux Limitis
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I really wouldn't be surprised if it took American military involvement for this to simmer down. If it wasn't for Iraq, it probably would have happened already. We still have quick-reaction forces available, though..Not surprising. I am wondering why NATO is still not sending any troops to Georgia as peacekeepers, to guarantee the ceasefire is observed on both sides.
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Hopefully we willNot surprising. I am wondering why NATO is still not sending any troops to Georgia as peacekeepers, to guarantee the ceasefire is observed on both sides.
we should be going in to back up the americans.
However things it europe can take a while...
And russia can still veto anything at the UN
Campidoctor
Re: Russian/Georgian conflict in South Osetia Mk 7
Wooho MK7
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