Heaven; What's it like?

[IronBlood]

For this thread I will post my ideas on what heaven would be like (I am a deist btw). I strongly encourage other faiths to post their vision/verison of heaven. Whats your vision of Heaven?

Images of Heaven

-It will be a place where we will not have a human body, we will be a sorta like a "state" of existence or a giant blob energy or a classic image of a soul. We will have no race, color, status, age etc.

-We will be in an eternal state of "perfected" happiness with God and glorying him feeds this happiness.

-We will be almost of equal status to God, expect for the "Omni" traits. We will be able to create our own "realities". This is an "individual" heaven.
For example my heaven may be a never ending vacation to Venezuela and yours may be a never ending party with friends or family.

-There will be different levels to heaven. The better life you have lived on earth, the higher your reward. Each level will be more splendid then the previous one. No one will argue about their place, since they probably can't imagine it can get any better

-It will be a "perfected" verison of our present world. Except that the God is truely present and rules over us, we humans will have no "borders" or differences, and everything is in abudance.

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Eager to hear your comments and ideas!

(Atheists and Agnostics please don't flame me, unless you have a constructive comment)

Cheers

[Pontifex Maximus]

A house, identical to the one I am living in now, my car, living in my own country doing whatever I want when I want to without any commitments or school. and a patio add-on to my room with a lounge chair and a telescope to watch the sky.

Ah...

[Cato_Uticensis]

You knew it was coming:

"In Heaven, all the interesting people are missing."

-Friedrich Nietzsche

[IronBlood]

You knew it was coming:

"In Heaven, all the interesting people are missing."

-Friedrich Nietzsche

Very true I suppose. Sounds like Niccolo Machiavelli last words; "I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former palace I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggers, monks, and apostles."

But I want to know whats your personal heaven?(during or after life, preferablely after.)

[Cato_Uticensis]

Very true I suppose. Sounds like Niccolo Machiavelli last words; "I desire to go to hell and not to heaven. In the former palace I shall enjoy the company of popes, kings, and princes, while in the latter are only beggers, monks, and apostles."

But I want to know whats your personal heaven?(during or after life, preferablely after.)

Nice words .

Honestly, I do not believe in a mystical/metaphysical afterlife or heaven. I believe that our mind and spirit die when our body dies.

However, I do believe that one can seek immortality. To do this, we must make every effort in our life to achieve greatness, and to produce the greatest thing possible. Those who truly are in "heaven", who truly are immortal, are people such as Virgil, who will move our souls and stimulate our minds as long as people read the words, "Arma uirumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab oris." Though the consciousness, or the psyche, of Virgil ended with his death, he became like a god when Roman school children across the nation read him and when scholars studied and wrote commentaries on him. He became like a god when the early Catholic church chose to "Christianise" Virgil, in part due to his Fourth Eclogue, and when Dante chose Virgil as his guide in the Divine Comedy. He still is remembered today; being still taught in classrooms and read in high schools. He personally touched the depths of my own soul (as is obvious), and is thus a hero and an icon. He has assuredly reached immortality.

p.s. Sorry about the digression about Virgil. I took an example of what I believe, of my "heaven", and went to town.

[Chaigidel]

heaven and hell are the same place

and no there is no immortality in time even our greatest men will become not even a memory, and no mark will remain of the great ape which called itself master of the place called earth.

abandon all hope if you want for some sort of meaning to be derived from your short life.

[Cato_Uticensis]

heaven and hell are the same place

and no there is no immortality in time even our greatest men will become not even a memory, and no mark will remain of the great ape which called itself master of the place called earth.

abandon all hope if you want for some sort of meaning to be derived from your short life.

Ahh but to you the consciousness, you are dead-not knowing that your immortality has reached an end. So it makes no difference to you.

Yet while we live in this life, we should appreciate the rarity of the ego; the fact that nobody else in history will ever be me, I. We only have one shot at the miracle of individual life-one go-until we meet the grave. Thus we must give life the greatest affirmation that we can; we must progress ourselves above the naked body that nature gave us; we must excel in greatness so that our last words will be, "Yes."

[The Colonel]

heaven and hell are the same place

and no there is no immortality in time even our greatest men will become not even a memory, and no mark will remain of the great ape which called itself master of the place called earth.

abandon all hope if you want for some sort of meaning to be derived from your short life.

Ya know what Chaig, im gonna make up a word some day for your type of responses.

[Maverick]

heaven and hell are the same place

and no there is no immortality in time even our greatest men will become not even a memory, and no mark will remain of the great ape which called itself master of the place called earth.

How do you figure? Unless the universe has an expiry date I don't see the logic behind this.

[Rich86]

Would you not get bored?

I mean in my opinion the 'good times' are made all the sweeter by experiencing the bad times. I feel happy when I am enjoying my job, getting on well with my girlfriend, enough money to pay the bills and go out often, getting on well with friends etc etc - and the enjoyment is increased by being able to remember how bad it was when I hated the job I was in, could just about pay the bills and put food on the table, argued with the girlfriend etc etc etc........


If you just had 'good times' forever would you not eventually no longer appreciate them? They would no longer be 'good times' but 'normal times' :hmmm:

[Magno]

Heaven is a goal to which all whom believe in god want to reach. Ancient Greeks had no Heaven but instead had Hades to which mortal life would have no consequence in the afterlife.

[Broken Pope]

If you have a heaven in which you are part of a Godhead, in a different sensory environment and devoid of human form, you start to move away from retaining your identity.

A particular difficulty concerns memories. If a good person has suffered huge tribulations and sadness in life (bereavements, pain, horrific sights and experiences) those things continue to haunt that person and inform their personality. We are the product of our experiences. A person may spend their lifetime regretting a terrible youthful mistake. It may become their defining characteristic (consciously or otherwise).

In heaven, there can be no sadness or disatisfaction. So all our memories and experiences would have to either be wiped away or faded into insignificance.

In either event ... in what sense is the entity in heaven really you or your soul? :hmmm:

[paokmam]

Do you know anyone that can actually answer this question??

[IronBlood]

Do you know anyone that can actually answer this question??

Isn't that the beauty of it? Your imagination is the limit

Heaven has no scriptural basis in Judaism or Christianity until rather late in the game (post-Jesus). The idea of eternal punishment or reward is a good way to keep people in line, not much more.

That is somewhat true. Remeber during the life of John the Baptist and Jesus, their preaching focused on the coming of the "Kingdom of God" and how to prepare for it. They did not define what the Kingdom would be like. But after their deaths did the early Church build on it with the ideas of Purgartory, Hell, etc.

But so again I want to say, I also want to know what's your personal heaven and not just your idea or thought on heaven. It can be a heaven after your dead or it can be heaven on earth while your living. Duda has the right idea

In heaven there's loads of sex with jessica alba, loads of basketball, loads of electric guitar, and finally, medieval 2 total war

[Archaalen]

Heaven has no scriptural basis in Judaism or Christianity until rather late in the game (post-Jesus). The idea of eternal punishment or reward is a good way to keep people in line, not much more.

[duda]

In heaven there's loads of sex with jessica alba, loads of basketball, loads of electric guitar, and finally, medieval 2 total war

[Kiljan Arslan]

A place where you know no pain, no doubt where you know everything is going to be okay, and your at peace.

[Confederate Jeb]

Read the Bible, and you'll know what my veiw is.

[Cúchulainn]

Read the Bible, and you'll know what my veiw is.

Deconstruct the whole notion fully, and you'll know what mine is.

[Pontifex Maximus]

Read the Bible, and you'll know what my veiw is.

Well that's boring and uncreative.

Are you aware that the bible is suppressing your free-thinking? Doesn't that trouble you?