woooooot the ERE spawns armies all over zeee place!!

**gaius valerius** · August 11, 2008, 03:49 PM

Well, it's not just the ERE, about each faction that is left alone long enough eventually hosts a large number of armies of considerable size. Personally through BC I got hooked on horse archers (even the weaker ones!), the unit I normally hated the most. However, take for example when you are playing as the Ayyubids you send a spy into Anatolia and it's like "hell" "nooo waaay", I see full stacks everywhere. So I'm thinking: how the hell am I gonna win against them with my fine-tuned experienced veteran armies without saying 'foook this shite' after a dozen of battles without actual gain? Personally I'm more of 'let's take it easy' approach. Medieval states didn't boast enormous armies like that, they boasted moderate size armies. I know the player has an advantage in blitzing etc, but I'd rather let my foe be if he can give me that disive battle after a while. Just looking at those ERE stacks for one I really lose my will to play.

I like to fight my own battles, but frankly, one every few turns is more than enough.

Is there anything that can be done about this? Or is the huge amount of spawned armies not perceived as a problem? (it doesn't help the AI against the Mongolians anyways

). And how come the AI can support such stacks when I have problems maintaining 3 armies in my fairly large Ayyubid empire? (what 'cheats' does the AI get?)

thx, and sorry for rambling a lot

**Shadowcry** · August 11, 2008, 10:04 PM

Are you up to date on your patches? 1.05 removes some of the spammage a lot due to the rebalance of the economy and units. Otherwise you cannot really do anythign because once a faction reaches super power status i e destroys at least one of its neighbours, usually ERE defeats turks of Seljuks defeat Abbasids Ghorids - Rajputs and so forth the army spammage becomes impossible to control just because of their raging eco. As well the armies themselves are poor to medium tier units with one or two elites which is all the faction can really put out. I would say just wait until the patch to correct this 1.5 or start a new campaign, since with poor factions you cannot really defeat any superpower without the game becoming really tedious.

the Ai achieves this through a population glitch and money scripts allowing them to become incredibly rich.

**gaius valerius** · August 12, 2008, 03:59 AM

Does the AI get hardcoded cheats? (like extra money/turn, can't go bankrupt, recruiting takes no populace etc, kinda like in RTW)

**Bull** · August 12, 2008, 09:53 AM

Well it's really the only way that AI can compete with human players, through numerical superiority.

If you play on medium campaign difficulty, you'll get 2 or 3 decisive battles and then a faction's finished. It will produce small armies all over the place and they'll get annihilated before they rally into a full stack.

It's true that AI spamming full stacks is not realistic, but it sure keeps me from expanding too fast. Typically my seaborne invasion force will have to fight between 2 to 4 stacks before the siege, by then I may or may not have enough units to take the city.

**thehammster** · August 13, 2008, 12:21 AM

you know those full stacks really aren't that hard to defeat.
i'm playing very hard/very hard with the khwarezmid and once i extended out to ghazni the rajputs (my allies at the time) freaked out and decided to attack me.
they sent in atleast 10 or 12 full stacks but because the computer has no real grasp on strategy they divided those stacks into smaller groups of 3 and spread out.

i took 4 stacks and took on each group individually with my one stack by attacking the rajputs at an angle that denied them of their reinforcements.
one by one i took out each rajput stack with personally commanded battles.
i basically took out their elephant cav with my archer cavs first.

then their highly routable infantry was easy to disperse when you pelt them with enough arrows and concentrate your forces on one part of their lines.
usually the flanks.

**Forve** · August 13, 2008, 09:58 AM

This is the main reason I quit playing BC, until they will realize new patch. Game is absolutly fabulous, but I was bored with the amount of battles I had with AI factions.