New units...

[Hrobatos]

awesome looking gogo!

[Ixor_Drakar]

The quality and artistic style of this team amazes me.

[Hrobatos]

thank you sir, both for rep and kind words! we try to do them as best as we can.

[NekoGenijalan]

Nice! I enjoy looking at those beautiful units!

[Wallachian]

Yeah i didn't think those legs were that thin either. can't say it really bothers me.

[Matthæus]

excellent result

[Thinkerman]

Really, really great! Bulgari- junaci

[DobroVece]

WTF! My mind is blown away. Ave.

[alien_t]

Great result Gogo. Btw these Bulgarians could be used for latter Byzantines too?!

[gogo t]

well form what I know the second bulgarian empire sometimes was called the Little Byzantium

[Bagatyr]

well form what I know the second bulgarian empire sometimes was called the Little Byzantium

little Byzantium ? For the furst time i hear such nonsens

[gogo t]

little Byzantium ? For the furst time i hear such nonsens

Yeah i've seen it with my eyes, but it was 2 years ago and I dont remember where Dont take every single fact that is unknown for you as nonsens

[Wallachian]

Yeah i've seen it with my eyes, but it was 2 years ago and I dont remember where Dont take every single fact that is unknown for you as nonsens

It makes perfect sense really, the Second Bulgarian Empire used many of the structures and organisation of the Byzantine Empire and was greatly influenced by the Byzantine culture. Wasn't it the Bulgarians (or maybe I'm confusing and it was the Serbians) that aimed at conquering Constantinopole and restoring the glory of the empire under a Bulgarian Emperor?

[NikeBG]

Great work, Gogo! Now it's looking awesome!

little Byzantium ? For the furst time i hear such nonsens

Yup, I've also heard it being called "the little Byzantium", or "the Slavic Byzantium", or "the Bulgarian Byzantium" etc.
Otherwise, for the SBE it wasn't necessary to take Constantinople anymore (although probably every tsar of ours wanted it) - the Bulgarian messianism had already risen and in SBE's times Tarnovgrad (Tsarevgrad Tarnov) started becoming "the new Constantinople" (especially in Ioan Alexander's times).

[gogo t]

yeah it was... Simeon The Great. But since Krum all Bulgarian rullers wanted to capture Constantinople. Eaven Ferdinand of Bulgaria \ 7 July 1887 – 3 October 1918 \


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Interesting post from New York Times Published: September 21, 1913
THE FATE OF BULGARIA; Possible Ambition of Czar Ferdinand to Make Constantinople the Centre of a Southern Slavic Empire
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive...D1405B838DF1D3

[DobroVece]

Well, everyone in east Balkans wanted to succeed Byzantium so it makes perfect sense.

[Bagatyr]

Dont take every single fact that is unknown for you as nonsens

Yup, I've also heard it being called "the little Byzantium", or "the Slavic Byzantium", or "the Bulgarian Byzantium" etc.
Otherwise, for the SBE it wasn't necessary to take Constantinople anymore (although probably every tsar of ours wanted it) - the Bulgarian messianism had already risen and in SBE's times Tarnovgrad (Tsarevgrad Tarnov) started becoming "the new Constantinople" (especially in Ioan Alexander's times).

what i say was that this turm ''Little Byzantum '' is nonsens and it is suggests mistaken idea about Bulgaria in general .Byzantium is unique as Bulgaria is unique .Bulgaria was alot influenced by Byzantium but it was not absolutly Byz .Bulgaria have develope in her own way and not everything that is byzantium can go for Bulgaria .
The influence of Byzantum in general is :
- titles in royal court.Only tsar,voevod,boyares, ban was non-byzantium and some small positions in palace.
- the ''home'' armour made in Bulgarian forges - lamellar and scale armor it was used in the Balkans in general and Byzantium was no exception .
- orthodox christianity witch is something normal since the source of the orthodox is Byz capital so the bizantium inflence here came in how with its art ,Jeremiah conseptions,teachings etc..

As you see it is Orthodox-Byz world :Eastern Roman empire,Bulgarian empire,Kingdom of Serbia,Rus principalities.In time they inflence the other european groop -The Catholics and they influence the orthodox .So it is much a complex world and after all we are a not so big continent.

Wasn't it the Bulgarians (or maybe I'm confusing and it was the Serbians) that aimed at conquering Constantinopole and restoring the glory of the empire under a Bulgarian Emperor?

Tervel,Krum,Simeon ,Asen I,Kalojan,Ivan Asen II,Mihael Shishman,Ivan Alexander - they all try to take it like the catholics try their luck for Holy Roman empire

[NikeBG]

As you see it is Orthodox-Byz world :Eastern Roman empire,Bulgarian empire,Kingdom of Serbia,Rus principalities.In time they inflence the other european groop -The Catholics and they influence the orthodox .So it is much a complex world and after all we are a not so big continent.

Aye, that group of nations is sometimes called "the Byzantine Commonwealth".
Otherwise, I'm not saying those who use the phrase "little Byzantium" mean that Bulgaria was exactly the same as Byzantium, but that it was so similar that it was the closest country to the Empire (not only geographically, but also culturaly, politicaly etc). There were differences, but the similarities far outweighed them.

[Son of Serbia]

There were differences, but the similarities far outweighed them.

Same could be said for medieval Serbian state when putting it in comparison to the Empire. The feudal system was "intherited" from the Empire itself, the rulers tended to have the Byzantine titles, the courts were organized in the same manner etc. Also, Dušan's ultimate goal was to conquer the Constantinople, which he was unable to achieve due to lack of naval forces. Even though his army had difficulties in siege battles at first, he managed to conquer most of crucial Byzantine settlements and castles in his way. Well, appart from Thessaloniki and Constantinople, that is. So, as you guys've already concluded - not only eyes of Bulgarian sovereigns were set upon Constantinople and succession of Byzantine glory. Would someone be so kind as to tell me which sources are reffering to SBE as Little Byzantium, by the way? Bulgarian ones? Some other? Honestly, I've never heard of it. And, of course - great work, gogo.

Cheers, everyone.

[NikeBG]

Would someone be so kind as to tell me which sources are reffering to SBE as Little Byzantium, by the way? Bulgarian ones? Some other?

Secondary, i.e. modern ones. The one that comes out of the top of my head isn't the most credible one (Bozhidar Dimitrov), but I can't really remember any other right now, nor do I have the time to search for it, though Google can probably find something.