christians

**saglam2000** · August 08, 2008, 08:25 AM

in all religions that have a god, gods, or whatever, the followers believe in their god. but why do christians believe in jesus more than god. it seems like everything thay say is, hail jesus!, praise jesus! also christians go around saying they believe in jesus, blatantly ignoring the fact that they should be believing in god which comes to the question of why? why do you treat some dude as a god. also a little known fact in the christian world... christianity is a heresy of judaism. and god doesnt exist.

**Rich86** · August 08, 2008, 08:29 AM

I think it's meant to be Jesus is also God.

**Tankbuster** · August 08, 2008, 08:42 AM

Well, saglam2000, let me give you a brief introduction to Christianity.
First of all, there's God. He's a really special dude. Powerful and stuff.
Then there's Jesus. He's the son of God. But he's also God, because he is the reincarnation of God on Earth. God sent him to Earth because he wanted to forgive mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve. Therefore, God deemed it necessary to let sins be washed away by blood, so he made the plan for Jesus (who was actually himself) to be crucified.
And so it happened. Jesus died for our sins on the cross... well, actually he didn't die, since he was immortal anyway and arose from his grave three days later, making the whole "dying for your sins" thing a bit tricky.
And then Jesus went back to heaven, where he supposedly helped his Father with the difficult task of running heaven and stuff. Although it could also be that he melted into his Father, since God was in Jesus anyway, making Jesus nothing more than a part of God. Christians aren't really clear on this.

Oh, and there's also The Holy Spirit (not to be mistaken for The Spook). He's the same as God as well. And Jesus.

So there's God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. They are all the same dude: God. Makes you wonder why they give them seperate names. Anyhow...

Oh, and don't forget, God is everything. Not just Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Also the world and the trees and stuff. Yeah...

**MaximiIian** · August 08, 2008, 08:33 AM

In Christianity, at least in most forms of it, Jesus is coterminous with deity. Nicene Christianity sees Christ as the trinitarian Son, the corporeal manifestation of the divine logos, while the Father is the creator and overwatch, and the Holy Spirit is the divine inspiration.

Of course, different Christian theologies have different views, but Trinitarian Christianity is the most common of them, due the vast popularity of Roman Catholicism and related religions.

**~~Ummon~~** · August 08, 2008, 08:44 AM

Not really reincarnation: the term is incorrect.

Avatar is more like it. More precisely, Jesus as the Logos is the understandable part of God. Therefore you address God through Him to get mercy, because the rest is beyond your comprehension.
Of course, this depends on a series of factors, etc.

Jesus can also be seen as the conscious state of the divine mind, whereas God as a whole exceeds it.

**IronBlood** · August 08, 2008, 08:46 AM

The Holy Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) at the council of Nicea. All are one person but all are 3 disinct persons. Roman Catholiscm believes in that every figure in the Trinity is equal to one another. Orthodox Christianity believes (used to?) in the supremacy of the father.

The one verse that I remeber about Jesus being God is...

In the Beginning was the Word
and the Word was with God
and the Word was God....

And so it happened. Jesus died for our sins on the cross... well, actually he didn't die

I think Christian belief is that he did die, decended into hell to conquered sin. He did not rise right away, probably because he wanted to fufill the "Scriptures".

**gambit** · August 08, 2008, 10:08 AM

It's all about the trinity. There is God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus did the teaching, the holy spirit did the inspiring and God did the creating.

Jesus did in fact die on the cross. The whole dieing was for him taking our sins and thats why he went to hell for three days, then he fulfilled scripture by coming back and ascending to Heaven, showing he'd conquered sin and what not. If he had been resurrected the moment he died, the romans would have just killed him again. Thats bad.

**Gaidin** · August 08, 2008, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by Gambit

If he had been resurrected the moment he died, the romans would have just killed him again. Thats bad.

I think they'd have just facepalmed and accepted the fact that he was a god of some sort. You can't beat "HOLY CRAP RIGHT IN FRONT OF MY EYES" resurrection.

**gambit** · August 08, 2008, 10:12 AM

Maybe but theres also Roman discipline. They had their orders and had to come through. If they refused that could mean death, or perhaps even a mild spanking.

**Gaidin** · August 08, 2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Gambit

Maybe but theres also Roman discipline. They had their orders and had to come through. If they refused that could mean death, or perhaps even a mild spanking.

True enough, but when somebody resurrects right in front of you(not like this three days later we got drunk and fell asleep thing), it turns into a "OK Caesar it's time to call our own god if we want to kill him. What's the number again?" situation.

**gambit** · August 08, 2008, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gaidin

True enough, but when somebody resurrects right in front of you(not like this three days later we got drunk and fell asleep thing), it turns into a "OK Caesar it's time to call our own god if we want to kill him. What's the number again?" situation.

Agreed but theres also the thought that when Jesus ressurected, his wounds were still there and visible (I believe theres one passage where a discipile puts his finger through a hole in Jesus' hand after he resurrected) so if he just held his head up and said "I'm alive!" then they'd just stab him again. If it was the type of resurrection where all wounds heal up and dissappear then they'd stop and seriously think about what they were doing.

**Gaidin** · August 08, 2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gambit

Agreed but theres also the thought that when Jesus ressurected, his wounds were still there and visible (I believe theres one passage where a discipile puts his finger through a hole in Jesus' hand after he resurrected) so if he just held his head up and said "I'm alive!" then they'd just stab him again. If it was the type of resurrection where all wounds heal up and dissappear then they'd stop and seriously think about what they were doing.

They're also typically regarded as healed wounds. Not like he's walking around with holes oozing blood in his body. What then?

**Legio** · August 08, 2008, 12:49 PM

Which branch of Christianity was this thread initially about?
It looks like Roman Catolicism.:hmmm:

If he had been resurrected the moment he died, the romans would have just killed him again. Thats bad.

Jesus was in hell paying for everyone's sins for three days, according to doctrine.
And no, no oozing blood either.

**gambit** · August 08, 2008, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by Gaidin

They're also typically regarded as healed wounds. Not like he's walking around with holes oozing blood in his body. What then?

I never thought about that. I doubt he metaphorically stuck his finger in a hole in Jesus' hand but I remember it saying there was a hole instead of just a healed wound.

The bible is quite a confusing thing.

**GustaiveTW** · August 08, 2008, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by saglam2000

also a little known fact in the christian world... christianity is a heresy of judaism. and god doesnt exist.

Also, not sure why this was needed in your post ... unless you're just trying to get more passionate responses?

**eizo** · August 08, 2008, 03:26 PM

I think that when they made up the story they simple got lost in it and then they had to answer a pile of Q? that even they didn't know how to answer...
I bet the first answer to this was something like this...
Bible:umm ..well ...hah...yeah...you see jesus is the son of god who is god,and was god even thought he wasen't god,and god is god,but he is also holy ghost,and holy ghost is god too,but not really as only god is god,and therefore jesus is god and he isn't until we killed him,ooopps i mean bad bad bad jews the roman soldier that killed him was actually probably part jewish therefore why ask all these complicated Q? just go kill some jews...
Bible: Do you know understand ?
Simple guy asking what's god: umm NO
Bible:Good,you MUST BELIEVE, BELIEVE
p.s if you do a guy you'l burn in hell...
And to the great misfortune of jews worldwide wast amount of idiots is into this...

**The Colonel** · August 09, 2008, 01:11 AM

Originally Posted by saglam2000

in all religions that have a god, gods, or whatever, the followers believe in their god. but why do christians believe in jesus more than god. it seems like everything thay say is, hail jesus!, praise jesus! also christians go around saying they believe in jesus, blatantly ignoring the fact that they should be believing in god which comes to the question of why? why do you treat some dude as a god. also a little known fact in the christian world... christianity is a heresy of judaism. and god doesnt exist.

Those are called southern baptists