Same Sex Marriage isnt prohibited in Bible

[attilavolciak07]

http://english.pravda.ru/news/societ...023-same_sex-0

Kinda a shocker isn it

[motiv-8]

I would need more evidence than 'a single Anglican archibishop says so'. Not that it matters to me, the issue should be a non-entity IMO.

[attilavolciak07]

I just put it up because i saw it, id ont fell that way either

[IronBlood]

If it is permitted, then why did God destory the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah for their acts fo homosexuality and wickedness? hmmmm? That's a little curious...

[gambit]

The words of some Anglican Archbisop is barely comparable to the word of the Bible (even though I dont personally consider the Bible that authoritative, thats a belief thing)

Humans in charge of religion (which is supposed to be led by Gods or some kind of oversoul of belief/existence) is one of the biggest hypocrisys ever.

[motiv-8]

Gambit, what you're forgetting is that the Bible can't speak for itself. It can't say, 'Hey.. Here I am.. check this verse out, this is what it means.' That's why, apparently, there was intended to be a Church.

[gambit]

Well it is saying that. It's people who stopped and thought "Well it could be metaphorical, maybe the bible is joking? " that are causing such problems.

then again it's people who wrote the bible.

[Thanatos]

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

- Leviticus 20:13

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

- Leviticus 18:22

And for those who think that it was only in the Old Testament, and that Jesus brought in something completely new, to throw away the old law:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

- Matthew 5:17-19

What's that about the Bible saying nothing about gays?

[Captain Blackadder]

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."

- Leviticus 20:13

"Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination."

- Leviticus 18:22

And for those who think that it was only in the Old Testament, and that Jesus brought in something completely new, to throw away the old law:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

- Matthew 5:17-19

What's that about the Bible saying nothing about gays?

So Thantos I assume you don't eat prawns. Since it is mentioned in the bible many times and as Jesus said he didn't get rid of the old laws so stop eating prawns you sinner.

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

[Tankbuster]

Then why does he call himself a Christian?

Because there are also some christians who don't really care about the people. Praise the Lord for that.

Who are you talking about? If you're talking about my comments I am most certainly not a Christian.

We were talking about vizigothe

So Thantos I assume you don't eat prawns. Since it is mentioned in the bible many times and as Jesus said he didn't get rid of the old laws so stop eating prawns you sinner.

I don't recall Thanatos saying he literally practices everything that is written in the Bible.

[Captain Blackadder]

Because there are also some christians who don't really care about the people. Praise the Lord for that.



We were talking about vizigothe



I don't recall Thanatos saying he literally practices everything that is written in the Bible.

He said homsexuality is condemmed by the bible and I just thought to mention eating prawns is too its in the same section as the gay stuff and cherrypickering your religion seems to me to be a cop out. So why follow some but not others it just seems strange to me. Since if you eat prawns you are going againest god it says so plain and simple no room for leeway.

[Tankbuster]

He said homsexuality is condemmed by the bible and I just thought to mention eating prawns is too its in the same section as the gay stuff and cherrypickering your religion seems to me to be a cop out. So why follow some but not others it just seems strange to me. Since if you eat prawns you are going againest god it says so plain and simple no room for leeway.

Heh, you'll have to ask the actual believers how they do it

Anyway, I'd rather that they choose to follow some things and to ignore some others, than that they blindly follow everything.
Although there is something else that I would even more prefer.

[Thanatos]

So Thantos I assume you don't eat prawns. Since it is mentioned in the bible many times and as Jesus said he didn't get rid of the old laws so stop eating prawns you sinner.

Leviticus 11:9-12 says:
9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Deuteronomy 14:9-10 says:
9 These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:
10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

I'll answer this in another thread, if you'll start it. My point still stands, and the OP is flat out wrong.

[Cluny the Scourge]

I'll answer this in another thread, if you'll start it. My point still stands, and the OP is flat out wrong.

That thread is started:

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...54#post3463054

I would like to hear your answer about that.

[ivan_the_terrible]

To be fair, the Mathew passage you reference states "Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven,"

-Those who break the old testament laws would be "called least in the kingdom of heaven". Implicitely, they will still be in heaven (if they believe in Jesus, presumably). It seems they wont have as high a status as those who didnt break the old laws. Or so is my understanding.

[gambit]

Well a sin doesn't guarantee you passage to hell. The details vary from religion to religion but I believe as long as you confess your sins and ask for forgiveness from the lord God wholeheartedly, while truly believing he is the lord God and in Jesus and all that; you will still go to Heaven.

Even Hitler would be able to go to Heaven, if (instead of killing himself) he'd gone through a massive reform and conversion.

[Thanatos]

Well a sin doesn't guarantee you passage to hell. The details vary from religion to religion but I believe as long as you confess your sins and ask for forgiveness from the lord God wholeheartedly, while truly believing he is the lord God and in Jesus and all that; you will still go to Heaven.

Even Hitler would be able to go to Heaven, if (instead of killing himself) he'd gone through a massive reform and conversion.

Exactly.

At any rate, my point still stands, homosexuality is mentioned and condemned, twice in the Bible.

[Da Skinna]

Jesus had to endorse the Old Testament.

If he didn't he wouldn't be Jesus, he'd be a ing hippy. He had to build off of previous successes.

Duhhh....

So really is the Bible is BS about certain things in this day and age, because we've evolved our own ideas of society and civilization and what it means to be human, and so too must our ideas of God. Otherwise it's draconian of us to tell a certain group of people that other certain groups are less than human for violating our own ideas of laws.

[gambit]

So really is the Bible is BS about certain things in this day and age, because we've evolved our own ideas of society and civilization and what it means to be human, and so too must our ideas of God. Otherwise it's draconian of us to tell a certain group of people that other certain groups are less than human for violating our own ideas of laws.

The bible isn't saying they're less human. The bible (God) is more of a parent figure telling his children what they are doing is wrong.

Not that I'm reinforcing it at all. I don't believe homosexuality is 'right' but I dont think we should judge someone just because I don't have the same tastes. If someone wants to be with the same sex, I don't mind at all. They're not hurting anyone or doing any evil acts (except adultery I suppose, but that has nothing to do with gender) so why should we tell them how to act?

[HopliteElite]

I find it amazing that so frequently homosexuals try to coincide their behavior with Christian law instead of just forsaking the religion which condemns them as evil. Is it really so important to try to justify your behavior in the eyes of an archaic, prejudiced and hypocritical religion?