Which Crusader house do you choose?

[tallstark]

Hi all, I noticed that after finishing my first crusade as Genoa I was offered St Johns and Templars. Is that normal to have a choice, and it is ever possible to have one of each in the course of a game? Just curious...

[Oddball_E8]

its normal to have the choice (but usually you get an offer from one order in one turn and if you turn it down you might get an offer from another order the next turn. I dont know if you got them in the same turn or not.)

no you cannot have one of each in the same city, but i think you can have one of each in your kingdom... wich is realistic since the orders generally didnt care that much if there was another order in the same kingdom.

[Caesar Clivus]

no you cannot have one of each in the same city, but i think you can have one of each in your kingdom...

Well you can and you can't. If you accept one order house, you won't be offered any chapter houses from any of the other orders. So technically you can't build more than one order's chapter houses. BUT if you conquer a city that has another order's house in it, you will be able to recruit that order's knights.

In my first M2TW campaign as the english, I had accepted (and consequently built numerous) Hospitalier chapter houses. When I conquered a Danish settlement, I found it had the Templar chapter house. So after that in some of my armies I had both Hospitallier and Templar knights

[Musthavename]

Well you can and you can't. If you accept one order house, you won't be offered any chapter houses from any of the other orders. So technically you can't build more than one order's chapter houses. BUT if you conquer a city that has another order's house in it, you will be able to recruit that order's knights.

In my first M2TW campaign as the english, I had accepted (and consequently built numerous) Hospitalier chapter houses. When I conquered a Danish settlement, I found it had the Templar chapter house. So after that in some of my armies I had both Hospitallier and Templar knights

Just to add to this. You can only recruit another chapter house's unit if it would be possible for your faction to have that in the first place. So if England got Hospitallers, they could conquer a Templar region and gain that, but they wouldn't gain Teutonic / Montesa / Santiago Knights if they got it. Those guilds would remain in a settlement if conuqered, but they won't produce units (though things like health bonuses would remain, but its a waste of a guild-space).

I always choose Hospitaller Orders over Templar's though. Has an extra health bonus, that and Hospitaller Knights look amazing. I think the only other choice there is Aragon choosing between Santiago & Montesa, and there I always choose Montesa (after all, they are Aragon's order).

[tallstark]

Well you can and you can't. If you accept one order house, you won't be offered any chapter houses from any of the other orders. So technically you can't build more than one order's chapter houses. BUT if you conquer a city that has another order's house in it, you will be able to recruit that order's knights.

In my first M2TW campaign as the english, I had accepted (and consequently built numerous) Hospitalier chapter houses. When I conquered a Danish settlement, I found it had the Templar chapter house. So after that in some of my armies I had both Hospitallier and Templar knights

Good call! I just took a city from Venice who had Hospitalliers and now I have a nice stack of Templars and Hosps teaching those Fatimad infidels all about how the Bible may preach peace, but when it comes to Jerusalem...

[Mjr Phil]

If you accept one order house, you won't be offered any chapter houses from any of the other orders.

Not true, I'm afraid. Playing Aragon I have Montesa up to HQ, and after some time I was offered Santiago to be built in settlement below Tunis. What is strange here, is that dismounted Montesa take 4 turns to train. All remaining (mounted Montessa and both Santiago) take 1 turn... Anyone noticed?

EDIT:
Actually, I forgot something here: I'm playing Late Era with 2 turns per year (WdS mod) so maybe it's WdS bug... Anyone can confirm that it's not SS's fault?

[htothehh]

Teutonic when I'm HRE, Santiago when I'm Spain, Montesa when I'm Aragon, whatever unit house Portugal has when I'm Portugal. I like to get the unique units, so no Templar or Hospitaler if I have other choices.

[Barser]

The hospitallers is much better. No point in building the templer one. They should have a boost to something in an update.

[Meister Sibrand]

The hospitallers is much better. No point in building the templer one. They should have a boost to something in an update.

yea mounted and dismounted units

[Bacon!]

I usually go for the Templar one as i find that the AI tends to have a Hospitaller over the Templar, so then when i conquer a settlement with the Hospitaller guild in i can have both

The hospitallers is much better. No point in building the templer one. They should have a boost to something in an update.

I modded my game so that Catholic factions get the Dismounted Knights Templar and gave the chapter house a bonus to trade income, so its actually worth getting

[caralampio]

@bacon: That makes sense since the Templars were bankers, could you tell me what did you mod?

[Barser]

Yup thats a good idea.

[Bacon!]

Go into the descr_buildings file and find the templar guild, it should look like this:

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building guild_templars_chapter_house
{
convert_to guild_templars_chapter_house
levels templars_minor_ch templars_major_ch templars_hq 
{
templars_minor_ch requires factions { england, jerusalem, norway, france, scotland, denmark, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
{
convert_to 0
capability
{
recruit_pool "Knights Templar" 1 0.25 1 0 requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, } 
recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar" 1 0.25 2 0 requires factions { knights_templar, }
}
material stone
construction 1 
cost 1000 
settlement_min city
upgrades
{
templars_major_ch
}
}
templars_major_ch requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
{
convert_to 1
capability
{
recruit_pool "Knights Templar" 1 0.25 2 0 requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar" 1 0.34 2 0 requires factions { knights_templar, } 
}
material stone
construction 1 
cost 2000 
settlement_min large_city
upgrades
{
templars_hq
}
}
templars_hq requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
{
convert_to 2
capability
{
recruit_pool "Knights Templar" 1 0.34 3 1 requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar" 1 0.34 3 1 requires factions { knights_templar, } 
}
material stone
construction 1 
cost 3000 
settlement_min large_city
upgrades
{
}
}
}
plugins 
{
}
}

For the trade bonus add the line "trade_base_income_bonus bonus *", like this:

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building guild_templars_chapter_house
{
    convert_to guild_templars_chapter_house
    levels templars_minor_ch templars_major_ch templars_hq 
    {
        templars_minor_ch  requires factions { england, jerusalem, norway, france, scotland, denmark, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.25   1  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, } 
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.25   2  0  requires factions { knights_templar, } 
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1
        }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  1000 
            settlement_min city
            upgrades
            {
                templars_major_ch
            }
        }
        templars_major_ch  requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 1
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.25   2  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.34   2  0  requires factions { knights_templar, } 
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 2
            }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  2000 
            settlement_min large_city
            upgrades
            {
                templars_hq
            }
        }
        templars_hq  requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 2
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.34   3  1  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.34   3  1  requires factions { knights_templar, } 
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 3
            }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  3000 
            settlement_min large_city
            upgrades
            {
            }
        }
    }
    plugins 
    {
    }
}

If you want to add Dismounted Knights Templar and the trade bonus to the factions that can get the templar guild then do this:

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building guild_templars_chapter_house
{
    convert_to guild_templars_chapter_house
    levels templars_minor_ch templars_major_ch templars_hq 
    {
        templars_minor_ch  requires factions { england, jerusalem, norway, france, scotland, denmark, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 0
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.25   1  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, } 
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.25   2  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 1
        }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  1000 
            settlement_min city
            upgrades
            {
                templars_major_ch
            }
        }
        templars_major_ch  requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 1
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.25   2  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.34   2  0  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 2
            }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  2000 
            settlement_min large_city
            upgrades
            {
                templars_hq
            }
        }
        templars_hq  requires factions { england, jerusalem, france, scotland, denmark, norway, hungary, poland, papal_states, milan, sicily, venice, knights_templar, ireland, } 
        {
            convert_to 2
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "Knights Templar"  1   0.34   3  1  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
                recruit_pool "Dismounted Knights Templar"  1   0.34   3  1  requires factions { england, jerusalem, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, ireland, }
trade_base_income_bonus bonus 3
            }
            material stone
            construction  1 
            cost  3000 
            settlement_min large_city
            upgrades
            {
            }
        }
    }
    plugins 
    {
    }
}

The skins for those factions are already in the "battle models" file so you dont need to worry about that

Also you are going to want to add those factions to have ownership of "Dismounted Knights Templar" in the descr_unit file

From this:

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type             Dismounted Knights Templar
dictionary       Dismounted_Knights_Templar      ; Dismounted Knights Templar, o
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_templar
banner unit      templars
soldier          Dismounted_Feudal_Knights, 48, 0, 1.2
officer          Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug1
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_Unit
formation        1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  7, 5, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        7
stat_ground      1, -1, 2, 1
stat_mental      21, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 690, 230, 90, 70, 690, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Knights_Templar, Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug1
ownership        knights_templar, jerusalem
recruit_priority_offset    25

To this:

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type             Dismounted Knights Templar
dictionary       Dismounted_Knights_Templar      ; Dismounted Knights Templar, o
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_templar
banner unit      templars
soldier          Dismounted_Feudal_Knights, 48, 0, 1.2
officer          Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug1
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
officer          northern_captain_early_flag
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_Unit
formation        1.2, 0, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         7, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  7, 5, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        7
stat_ground      1, -1, 2, 1
stat_mental      21, impetuous, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 6
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 690, 230, 90, 70, 690, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Knights_Templar, Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug1
ownership        england, scotland, france, denmark, norway, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar, jerusalem, ireland
recruit_priority_offset    25

Have fun

[Bacon!]

Some screenshots i took:

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[Arcaani]

Hi, everybody!

I was wondering... If one were playing as the Knights Templar, would there be any concrete (as opposed to roleplaying-related) benefits to picking the Templar chapter houses over the Hospitaller ones? Perhaps one could have more units ready for conscription at once? Perhaps the limits for the number of units available for training would not be raised, and therefore picking the Templar houses would be a waste of guild space?

Help please ^_^

[caralampio]

I notice that among the factions that can own templars, jerusalem is mentioned. Is there a Jerusalem faction?

[Musthavename]

Yes, the Kingdom of Jerusalem is a faction, separate from the Templars, with a slightly different roster. The only difference is Templars are Early Era and KoJ is late era (note, the KoJ does not have an emergence script, it will only be there if you play the late Era campaign, or if you put a submod on that causes their emergence).

[RomaJilo]

I have allso made a sucessfull crusade uppon jerusalem as hungary..but wasnt offered anything..... never has...and where can ifind this "WdS" 2-turn ayear-mod?

[Vasquez]

Hospitalliers, because they look so buff and bad ass in their black.