[M2TW AAR] The Help of God, the Love of the People, the Strength of Denmark

[Graf zu Adler]

My Advice on targets: Shoul dthe general be there, and we have sufficient forces, attack nuremberg and the nearest imperial provnce to our borders at the same time, so that the pope won't complain too much....

[eisenkopf]

My King and fellow counselors,

I'm in a hurry for family matters, so if you are kind enough to excuse me for the moment after these short comments:

- Very good news from the east, the campaign was short and successfull. since our allies have Riga, there is not much left to do, although I would still convert Helsinki - the Russians will come back for Novgorod, and once they do, take Smolensk from them.

- More urgent of course is the war the HRE. Vienna is the big prize (one of richest cities of all), but it is difficult to hold on to since it opens new fronts with the Magyars and Venice. I fully trust your strategical capabilities and will not suggest any specific targets - it depends on the circumstances. However, do not listen to the more bloodthirsty conselors and butcher the civilians. They are as unhappy under the Empire as you would assume. And they are catholic, just as us! Besides, it is economically unwise and will also lead to a very bad reputation amongst your Royal kin in other countries. Reserve the butchering for Pagans and Infidels...

- about the Pope: Do not get excommunicated! Wait for the HRE to makes its moves, because they started the war... and build some siege artillery, because swiftness in conquest is key in avoiding Papal scorn...

[Graf zu Adler]

Totally of topic: Guys, I have a little problem. Could one of you send me the descr_strat and campaign_script files from the vanilla M2TW campaign? I modded mine and forgot to backup. Send me a PM if you would do this for me, so I can give you my e-Mail-address. Thanks in advance.

Back to topic: Yes, I agree, we should not butcher the civilians, but loot the cities, as this will help our economy quite a bit!

[Musthavename]

As you're already in a war with the HRE, there is no point in taking both Frankfurt / Nuremburg at once, bar Papal reasons. If its possible to raise a second army, do so. But I would personally just send one. If the Papals cease the war, we can go on the defencive and send a second army elsewhere.

[Jagdpanzer]

Your majesty,

Could you give us a screenshot of the papal ratings?

, the red knight

PS. You should send an assasin to Vienna to sabotage the mines. This will damage HRE's income.

[Musthavename]

Your majesty,

Could you give us a screenshot of the papal ratings?

, the red knight

PS. You should send an assasin to Vienna to sabotage the mines. This will damage HRE's income.

Mines are a permanent building like Roads / Farms. I don't believe they can be sabotaged or destroyed. Exteriminating a settlement may damage / destroy them but they can't be destroyed any other way.

[Jagdpanzer]

Mines are a permanent building like Roads / Farms. I don't believe they can be sabotaged or destroyed. Exteriminating a settlement may damage / destroy them but they can't be destroyed any other way.

You're right Musthavename. Sabotaging buildings is one of the few things I almost never do in M2TW, so i didn't know this. I just thought it would be good to damage HRE's income. Perhaps we can hit the market instead?

, the red knight.

[pericles_plato]

My king,
Please excuse me of my anger. I mean only the best for the danes. We need to sack the cities. If the citizens hate us then we need to kill them.
With all respect,
Pericles_plato * Pericles of Athens*

[Zhangir]

Your garrison of Prague _is_ the force (it looks large enough to get the job done

Yea, but it's mainly city guard

Ashashi, stormer you guys propose the defensive warfare? Hmmm might be it also

I propose we swoop in and take their great casltes out from under their noses! this plan would reduse the enemy to recruiting lowly militia units ready to be plucked. there are only two fatal problems with this action 1. we are caught up in bettween 2 or more armies while we are seiging and 2. Or a prolgonged seige of the newly aquired caslte which would nulfy the benefits of the course and leave our main army stranded.

Wow ))) that's extraordinary plan... well it is quite unusual.
As far as i know HRE has Innsbruck, maybe Metz (unlike that Bern) and Stauffen? Is that it?
Well...I'd be temped to take their cities thoough... they are way closer.. )))
You see I only have 1 army.. in order to stop they making troops I need to crush 3 or more castles

Shoul dthe general be there, and we have sufficient forces, attack nuremberg and the nearest imperial provnce to our borders at the same time, so that the pope won't complain too much

Yea I thought that would be it. I was wondering about the second army. Well I think the Red Knight is right here, we should erm.. free Prague and take the force from there

Although my concern here is will the Polish be tempted to take Prague???

Wait for the HRE to makes its moves, because they started the war... and build some siege artillery, because swiftness in conquest is key in avoiding Papal scorn...

So eisenkopf is also for the defensive war? And i like the artillery plan

Guys, I have a little problem. Could one of you send me the descr_strat and campaign_script files from the vanilla M2TW campaign? I modded mine and forgot to backup. Send me a PM if you would do this for me, so I can give you my e-Mail-address. Thanks in advance

Send me ur email via PM ) I ll do it )

As you're already in a war with the HRE, there is no point in taking both Frankfurt / Nuremburg at once, bar Papal reasons. If its possible to raise a second army, do so. But I would personally just send one. If the Papals cease the war, we can go on the defencive and send a second army elsewhere

I was kind of thinking of getting another army and taking them both
What do u think?
Yea, I also think we could go on defensive only if Papa wants us to )

Could you give us a screenshot of the papal ratings?

Yup sure )))
wait couple of mins, I ll edit this post and add to it

Perhaps we can hit the market instead

Well I could get myself an assassin, though I d first concentrate on troop making for now, if i have money )

We need to sack the cities. If the citizens hate us then we need to kill them

Yea I second that )))


Anyways, guys we got two main groups of opinions

1) Charge and take down the HRE, prefferably taking 2 settlements at the same town, without waiting for them to get excomunicated

2) Sit back and wait for the Emperor to get excomunicated and then Crusade the HRE or simply destroy them

I ll count the votes now...

for Numba 1

The red knight (Nurnberg, Frankfurt)
Musthavename (Nurnberg, Frankfurt)
Graf zu Adler (Nurnberg)
jbersie (Vienna)
pericles_plato (Frankfurt)
Nole4694 (Stauffen, Metz, Innsbruck)

for Numba 2

stormer
Ashashi
eisenkopf

I hope I got it right

BTW, I use ur AAR names only in the story )))

If everyone confirms that is their firm opinion, and we don't have any changes in the vote, I'd go for taking Nurnberg and Frankfurt, by creating second army
sorry Nole, I ll use the second part of ur plan ))
jbersie, I think I ll take Vienna after taking nurnberg and Frankfurt )
stormer, Ashashi, eisenkopf I think I ll wait out for the HRE to get excommunicated only if the Pope tells me to ceasefire


EDIT

I asked the Pope what he thinks of us



He says we are like as saint as him

[Musthavename]

In that case I wouldn't bother with a second army. One army with that rating probably can take both settlements without excommunication, especially if you organise a regular tribute to the Pope. I would raise a second army, but attack somewhere else. Personally i'd use a second force to take Antwerp, though Vilnius is an option.

So, have your primary force take Nuremburg, then move onto Frankfurt. Raise another army and send it to take Antwerp, and if after that, Bruges if its still vacant.

[pericles_plato]

My liege,
Let us attack HRE till the pope says stop. Then strengthen our defences and let them attack us.
With all respect.
Pericles of Athens.

[Graf zu Adler]

My liege,
Let us attack HRE till the pope says stop. Then strengthen our defences and let them attack us.
With all respect.
Pericles of Athens.

I second that.

[Zhangir]

Musthavename well I will take Frankfrut first, cause my army is a turn away from it

pericles_plato, Graf zu Adler Roger that )))

[Nole4694]

I figured the plan was too risky and I even though t it was a long shot but ohwell. The second plan is still good, Take their closest cities as quicly as possible then settle in. I not saying we should go on the defencive just take a break and either, A. build a second army to aid in the conquest or B. build up defences and send your army on a second blitz, or C. do both(this is only if you think our economy is strong enough to d o it theough) this is my prefered method.


Oh yes, pls tell me who attack who first? Because if you were attacked by the HRE we ought not to have problems witht he pope for many years in this war. but if we attacked them you can expect to be stopped very early by tohe pope.

[Zhangir]

Nole4694
Well
I'd go with C, with the economy better with Taxation on auto and more cities as well as sacking of frankfurt

About the attack... did i miss it out of the AAR??? sorry I ll go check now and fill it in if i didn't

But to answer ur question
Of course the HRE diD!!!
I assure u, the Danish Kingdom would never be an aggressor! We are peaceful!
This is not irony, cause it looks a bit like it

[Commander Ruunu]

Bugger.. Too bad i can only suggest strategy when i am in story and i am not in the story yet, but Zhangir promised i would be in

[Zhangir]

No no no!!! U can suggest it now!!!
I will add your Advice in the story!

It is not necessary to BE in the Council in the AAR to make adivces!!! PEOPLE!!!


Anyway, I will add you during the next update, but u can advice us any time u want mate ))))

[jbersie]

The holy roman empire tends to field an army that is based largely off of spearmen. Would be a good idea to weaken them with archers and use your norse axemen to route them and kill all the remaining ones off with your cavalry

[Aldgarkalaughskel]

This is an intense and dynamic campaign report indeed, well done, Zhangir. Also good job with creating interactions with your readers. You guys should consider running a hotseat//community AAR like God Save the King with an own sub-forum.

[Zhangir]

to jbersie
I thought the axemen were cool idea


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Anyway this AAR's 3 Chapter will be writen only on the 25th of AUGUST

I REALLY REALLY hope ALL Readers and councillors will continue this AAR with me on the 25 th of August, and won't leave me alone in this thread AFTER the vacation ) LOL ))))

Anyways, for now Let me just say that I will now take Medieval in English, so that u guys won't have problems with screenshots

My only concern is that the damn save would load to the new version

Thanks and a pleasan summer to you

See you after the 25th of August! ))))