Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia name dispute, Mk 2

[Eastern Roman]

Karakale, Attila isn't spreading propaganda. Kolletis told so and we were told in school. He wanted to unite all Greeks, including those Northern in the Balkans. The Great Idea.

i know m8, you misunderstand me. Do you think he used that way ?
Or more like the Athenian speeches against Phillip

[attilavolciak07]

I believe this was the full quote...

"the kingdom of Greece is not Greece; it is only a part, the smallest and poorest, of Greece. The Greek is not only he who inhabits the kingdom, but also he who lives in Ioannina (Epirus), or Thessaloniki (Macedonia), or Serres (Macedonia), or Odrin (Thrace)"

[Eastern Roman]

I believe this was the full quote...

"the kingdom of Greece is not Greece; it is only a part, the smallest and poorest, of Greece. The Greek is not only he who inhabits the kingdom, but also he who lives in Ioannina (Epirus), or Thessaloniki (Macedonia), or Serres (Macedonia), or Odrin (Thrace)"

yep thank you for that quote.

[attilavolciak07]

If you read his whole speech he says SKOPJE, this could be proof, slavic or not that macedonia should share the history

whats in a name

[Eastern Roman]

i quote was you said

he kingdom of Greece is not Greece; it is only a part, the smallest and poorest, of Greece. [U]The Greek is not only he who inhabits the kingdom, but also[/U] he who lives in Ioannina (Epirus), or Thessaloniki (Macedonia), or Serres (Macedonia), or Odrin (Thrace)"

Έστιν ουν Ελλάς και η Μακεδονία"

"Macedonia is greek" Strabon

[attilavolciak07]

Ok.... Ok lets work on the naming issue, these are the proposed five options which one do yuo like more?
Afterall the whole debate always goes to history, never to the issue the name!

"Constitutional Republic of Macedonia"
"Democratic Republic of Macedonia"
"Independent Republic of Macedonia"
"New Republic of Macedonia"
"Republic of Upper Macedonia"

PS I like the first one and the fourth one!

[Eastern Roman]

"Constitutional Republic of Vardaria"
"Democratic Republic of Vardaria"
"Independent Republic of Vardaria"
"New Republic of Vardaria"
"Republic of Upper Vardaria"

all are nice

[attilavolciak07]

all are nice

What if you changed 'Macedonia' into the Thessalonica Province

Besides the vardar is too small of a river

[attilavolciak07]

Oh and you know the Ancient Olympics, well why were the ancient macedonians not allowed to participate?

[Eastern Roman]

Oh and you know the Ancient Olympics, well why were the ancient macedonians not allowed to participate?

sorry my friend they did

[attilavolciak07]

sorry my friend they did

take a look at this then,

A passage in book five of Herodotus' Histories (5.22) concerns the exclusion of Macedonians from panhellenic events such as the Ancient Olympic Games. In 504 or 500 BC, the Macedonian king Alexander I attempted to participate in the Olympic Games, and met with resistance by competitors, who regarded him as a non-Hellene

[nemgod]

take a look at this then,

A passage in book five of Herodotus' Histories (5.22) concerns the exclusion of Macedonians from panhellenic events such as the Ancient Olympic Games. In 504 or 500 BC, the Macedonian king Alexander I attempted to participate in the Olympic Games, and met with resistance by competitors, who regarded him as a non-Hellene

Mostly Athenians who he beat in the games anyway. Basically anyone they don't like Greek or not instantly became non Greek. Athenians being the only Ionians on the mainland had this snobbish view they were above the rest and the only real True Greeks on the mainland.

When it suited them they denied basically anyone non Greek from Thebans, to thessalians to Spartans and the Macedonians.

[Eastern Roman]

take a look at this then,

A passage in book five of Herodotus' Histories (5.22) concerns the exclusion of Macedonians from panhellenic events such as the Ancient Olympic Games. In 504 or 500 BC, the Macedonian king Alexander I attempted to participate in the Olympic Games, and met with resistance by competitors, who regarded him as a non-Hellene

Alexander, however, proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek. He accordingly competed in the furlong race and tied step for first place. This, then, is approximately what happened.

• Macedonians in the ancient Olympic games
One of the most common arguments against the Greek identity of ancient Macedonia is that Macedonians did not take part in the Olympic games like the rest of the Hellenes. Of course this is a another big lie. The winners lists which survive until today show clearly that many Macedonians did take part and win in the Olympic games.

480 Boxing Theagenes Thasos
472 Boys' Boxing Tellon Orestheia
408 Tethrippon Archelaos King of Macedonia
380 Pankration Xenophon Aigai
356 Horse Race Philip II King of Macedonia
352 Tethrippon Philip II King of Macedonia
348 Synoris Philip II King of Macedonia
328 Stadion Kliton Unknown
320 Stadion Damasias Amphipolis
304 Tethrippon Lampos Philippoi
292 Stadion Antigonos Unknown
288 Stadion Antigonos Unknown
268 Foals' Tethrippon Belestichos Unknown
268 Stadion Seleukos Unknown
264 Synoris Belestichos Unknown
129 Unknown Diephilos Aigai

[attilavolciak07]

Mostly Athenians who he beat in the games anyway. Basically anyone they don't like Greek or not instantly became non Greek. Athenians being the only Ionians on the mainland had this snobbish view they were above the rest and the only real True Greeks on the mainland.

When it suited them they denied basically anyone non Greek from Thebans, to thessalians to Spartans and the Macedonians.

Understood, but there is one flaw in your argument.

This took place in 500 BC, Alexander had them Atticazied bty then!

Another quote
Macedon was heavily Atticised from the time of Alexander the Great. Moreover, there are indications that there were pan-Hellenic influences in the Macedonian kingdom as early as the 5th century BC. King Archelaus established the new capital at Pella, a festival in honor of Zeus at Dion, a city right next to Mt. Olympus, and welcomed southern Greek intellectuals into the kingdom. Athenian playwriters such as Euripides and Agathon and the famous painter Zeuxis all were influential in the early kingdom. Euripides wrote his last two tragedies at Archelaus' court

[Eastern Roman]

Understood, but there is one flaw in your argument.

This took place in 500 BC, Alexander had them Atticazied bty then!

Another quote
Macedon was heavily Atticised from the time of Alexander the Great. Moreover, there are indications that there were pan-Hellenic influences in the Macedonian kingdom as early as the 5th century BC. King Archelaus established the new capital at Pella, a festival in honor of Zeus at Dion, a city right next to Mt. Olympus, and welcomed southern Greek intellectuals into the kingdom. Athenian playwriters such as Euripides and Agathon and the famous painter Zeuxis all were influential in the early kingdom. Euripides wrote his last two tragedies at Archelaus' court

hahaha
"Macedon was heavily Atticised"

Modern greek language came from the Attic Dialect, so Sparta, dorians, weren't greeks ? hahaha

Thank you for proving what all this time what i am saying

Southern greek , Athenians hahahaahahahaahaha

[attilavolciak07]

hahaha
"Macedon was heavily Atticised"

Modern greek language came from the Attic Dialect, so Sparta, dorians, weren't greeks ? hahaha

Thank you for proving what all this time what i am saying

Southern greek , Athenians hahahaahahahaahaha

actually my point is proven

If it the language came from attic dialect then that supports rep of macedonia that ethnic macedonians are not related to greece and have a different history!

i was just responding to nemgod said that athenians thought they were the true greeks!

[Eastern Roman]

actually my point is proven

If it the language came from attic dialect then that supports rep of macedonia that ethnic macedonians are not related to greece and have a different history!

i was just responding to nemgod said that athenians thought they were the true greeks!

acrually greek language came fron attic dialect

If Greek language came from attic dialect that supports that other greeks belong to an other ethnos ?
For sure they got different history too.

it doesn't make sense amigo

hahahaha

[silvercolum]

doomed

guys u will never end this ?? jajaja

how many threads like this one have been? just curious:hmmm:

[attilavolciak07]

Listen, if Attic dialect is greek and the macedonians were atticised that means that macedonians had to be hellenized by the greeks.

Plus, a majority of Illyrian and Thracian populace was in macedon. The conquests of Phillip gained a wider population of them and they integrated into the society.

[Eastern Roman]

Listen, if Attic dialect is greek and the macedonians were atticised that means that macedonians had to be hellenized by the greeks.

Even before Alexander greek language started to atticised, Thebans used it, Corinthians used it etc tec

Plus, a majority of Illyrian and Thracian populace was in macedon. The conquests of Phillip gained a wider population of them and they integrated into the society.

The conquest of Phillip was northen places were mostly were populated by non-greeks.
Alexander conquered the whole Asia were mostly were populated by non-greeks.

What your point m8 ?